Booing when Coil2 Nerf was announced

[VahnValbosce]

I'll take that bet.

Ok take that bet then. I'm done with this topic. Nobody is changing anyones mind, it will never happen.

You can all continue to thumbs-up eachothers posts to make eachother feel special and then get your content nerfed.

Then once all the content is extremely easy and takes 30 minutes to clear, you'll sit around wondering why half the playerbase has quit and the entire game has gone Free 2 Play. Who will be to blame then? OH WAIT, It must of been those nasty hardcore elitist players that ruin every single game!!!

LOL... utter non-sense.

[Ghasto]

No, you're creating a better game for it. Why, exactly, is artificial difficulty a good thing? Why, exactly, is tying raid progress to the LEAST CAPABLE MEMBER, a good thing? Protip: It isn't. No legitimately challenging team game ties EVERYONES immeadiate pass or failure to one person. Which is exactly what the current raid mechanics do, and why they're the wrong direction for any game to take. People SHOULD be able to pick up the slack for weaker members. People SHOULD be able to carry. Winning or losing SHOULD be a team effort, whereas currently, now, the fate of the entire raid is ALWAYS on the weakest link. And that is bad game design, plain and simple.

If the failings of one person isn't pinned on that one person, it then gets passed onto the healers.
In short; baddies get gud

[Aethaeryn]

And on that note: I'm done with this Forum Topic, I figured out it's basically just a bunch of people asking for content to get nerfed because -> they are the 1 person that wipes the raid -> they are too busy to play this game -> they don't want to work on something and progress with other people -> they want to be able to carry people, or don't have the patience for them to learn.

So their solution is: Make the game suck by Nerfing Content! ... Yea, great logic.

You're still ignoring all of the people who haven't even attempted second coil yet because they don't have the drive or the time to spend tons of hours wiping to learn fights. Hint: There were more people not doing second coil over the last six months than people making real progression with it. Game doesn't suddenly suck because old content is eased in difficulty when it was already steamroll easy for your static to beat it for the last several months. Stop trying to force everyone to play the game the way you do.

[Shougun]

This is non-sense.

Allow me to reword your paragraph: "Good players should be able to carry noobs"

You really think its fair for 7 other people to have the fight NERFED on them because 1 person can't pull their weight? What the heck??? Now you are totally giving in to that 1 person, because Nerfing the entire fight is hurting the 7 other people who CAN clear it!!!

I get that concern, content changing to a less preferential way (opinion/perspective)- but you have to keep in mind that the hardcore/pros are not the majority. SE is trying to cater to both groups by keeping one hard and one manageably hard (challenging for those who may not be doing everything right or in a party of people like that).

Now I'm not going to say you have no right to be disappointed content is made easier/more manageable but that I don't think you're arguing for the majority. Anyway minorities have rights too, and you have the right to your opinion but not everyone is a Rogue, Hardcore, Ninja Gaiden, Dark Soul NG++++ player.

[Merylx]

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Listen, the general skill of people who play FFXIV isn't good when it comes to hardcore content like Coils. By nerfing it, those people who can't follow game mechanics, or suffer from tunnel vision, will finally have a chance at beating different turns. This is just how it is. The game is not catered to the hardcore - eventually, even the casuals, will want to explore Coils and see what they've been missing. It's a natural occurrence in the MMO model these days - the hardcore get it first, then eventually the 'others' or 'casuals' are able to have a go, and are given a chance to catch up on content. Yes, it isn't at the same difficulty that you and your static once encountered, but who really cares? At the end of the day Second Coils gear will be outdated soon, and you and your static will be moving on to the last turn. It really shouldn't affect you this much....

[CramerGamer]

If you hadn't beaten it before I could understand that you felt a challenge was taken away from you before you had the chance to overcome it by yourself, but if you already beat it before the nerf, it really doesn't affect you adversely, no matter how you look at it. Aside from the "I want to feel special" thing, that is.

What's wrong with that?

Coil isn't needed for progression.
It's not tied to anything else, 100% optional content - Story Mode Coil is already in the works.
Gear alternatives are plentiful -right now- and equal to anything in Second Coil.
New tome gear will be -better- than anything in Second Coil.
The only reason someone who can't clear Coil would want to is because they want vanity gear, which if they haven't earned it then why do they deserve it?
So much of the content is already directed at the casual crowd, why not let elite players have their own corner to enjoy? Not everything has to be accessible to everyone.

[VahnValbosce]

No, you're creating a better game for it. Why, exactly, is artificial difficulty a good thing? Why, exactly, is tying raid progress to the LEAST CAPABLE MEMBER, a good thing?

YOUR SOLUTION: Nerf the entire content to help that 1 person progress!!!

MY SOLUTION: You're holding back our raid progression, we're replacing you for someone else who can clear it or actually cares about clearing it. /kick



P.S. Just talking about how content should get nerfed like this is making me want to quit the game already lol... imagine how many would quit if the entire game got easier.

Ok. Now I'm Done. Bye.

[Aethaeryn]

YOUR SOLUTION: Nerf the entire content to help that 1 person progress!!!

MY SOLUTION: You're holding back our raid progression, we're replacing you for someone else who can clear it or actually cares about clearing it. /kick



Ok. Now I'm Done. Bye.

You must have a lot of friends.

[VicViperion]

YOUR SOLUTION: Nerf the entire content to help that 1 person progress!!!

MY SOLUTION: You're holding back our raid progression, we're replacing you for someone else who can clear it or actually cares about clearing it. /kick



Ok. Now I'm Done. Bye.

Your "solution" is childish at best. Much like your attitude. Things can be challenging without being artificial difficulty, a concept you seem unable to grasp. The current state of Coil is pure artificial difficulty, it relies on nothing challenging. You just said it yourself, the only challenging part is hoping another party member doesn't cause any of a myriad of insta-wipe moves to trigger.

[NyarukoW]

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Before any elitists disagree with me, please tell us the last time you voluntarily helped another player to run coil content without any expectation of a reward. Exactly.

That is so true.

I've just helped a friend's FC member clear T5 yesterday, but then again the elitists all hate me on this forum. And to top it all off, those same people want an "no newbies wanted" checkbox for the PF and DF so they can exclude the newer people.