Booing when Coil2 Nerf was announced

[Tiggy]

SE isn't making it easier because people asked them to. It's something they planned to do with content since before ARR launched. Any time they talk about making coil easier they don't say "Lots of people asked us to do this", they say "The clear rates are unsatisfactory so we're going to add echo and make changes until the clear rates are where we'd like them to be".

Yes I agree that was their plan and as is fine. My problem is with people who seem to want degraded immediately to the lowest common denominator instantly. foolish and shortsighted.

I'll put it this way. Square knows how many subs they have. We don't. Square knows how many concurrent users they have. We don't. Square knows how many attempts on coil are made each week and how many are successful. We don't. Square knows how many subs they are loosing. We don't.

I think they know more about what they are doing than most of the people here.

[Alukah]

SE isn't making it easier because people asked them to. It's something they planned to do with content since before ARR launched. Any time they talk about making coil easier they don't say "Lots of people asked us to do this", they say "The clear rates are unsatisfactory so we're going to add echo and make changes until the clear rates are where we'd like them to be".

And that is correct, this is something I imagine you already know Tiggy, but player feedback isn't regarded as high as metrics for them, not to mention our feedback is filtered a lot by what the community reps decide to gather and how they decide to word it.

I've always assumed they had a plan to ease up on old raids as the average ilvl increased, specially since raids that were originally meant to be cleared by a really small percent of the community within their appropriate time, this is reinforced by the fact that they are adamant to let people help others who may not clear the raid by themselves otherwise while the raid is still relevant, but once the raid is replaced they no longer want to keep a choke hold and they want it to be more and more accessible, so more people can reach the new choke hold, the new raid.

The nerf to first and second coil didn't happen due to people crying, they happened due to metrics, just like the nerf to Pharos Sirius and AK.

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Yes I agree that was their plan and as is fine. My problem is with people who seem to want degraded immediately to the lowest common denominator instantly. foolish and shortsighted.

I do agree with you here, nerf should happen slowly, checking the metrics to see how people are doing after any modification is made, just so they don't end up over-nerfing it.

[odintius]

And yet no one here is asking to make it harder.

It was a reply to the first sentence saying why no one asking for harder content you wrote I didn't, I gave a reason to that particular sentence knowing it wasn't on the specific topic you chose to say it a distraction to the topic. lol

[odintius]

So many people who weren't even there making crazy assumptions.

One thing is true. Easy games don't last because they bore people. People wanting easy content keep wanting us to think of it from there perspective while gleefully falling to follow their own advice.

I think it also an assumption on many that think people who want this want it on easy mode more like a normal mode still has it bites in challenge, just less mechanics that's overly involved. Even though you might think its fine as it is yourself and other gamers, but for others gamer types they might disagree but since this is online game is why we have a clash of the Titan's >.> punt intended lol.

[DefendPopPunk]

So many people who weren't even there making crazy assumptions. For example.


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Well, to be fair, extrapolating fan booing as any kind of representation of hardcore, casual, majority, or minority are all assumptions. False or not, a better point would be to say people at fanfest don't necessarily make up a majority, or a minority. We simply don't know. Yet, that is what people are assuming to be true here.

And alas, you end your post with another false assumption. You say easy games don't last because they bore people. You assume people play games simply because they are challenging. I assure you, this is in no way always the case. You can put a game on easy mode and still enjoy the story, as it may be engaging enough to someone to constitute "fun." I found the Last of Us to be extremely easy and linear but it was fun to play. I've played it more than once, as well. Not boring at all. Putting it on the hardest difficulty didn't enhance it in any way for me, it just assured that I took longer and died easier if I made small mistakes. There are games that are addictive that many types of gamers enjoy (mobile games, for example) that don't necessarily provide hardcore challenge but are still fun and not boring. Unless by "games" you meant MMOs, then you might have a stronger case. Maybe.

[Tiggy]

Unless by "games" you meant MMOs, then you might have a stronger case. Maybe.

Yes, I meant MMOs. I was having some extreme issues with my phone in the airport so I was struggling to get posts in. I think I had to re-edit that post like three times. Ugh.

Also, I pointed out earlier in the thread that all the fanfest proved was "here are 4k people that enjoy the game enough and could afford to actually go." Definitely any assertions of a casual or hardcore nature can't really be proven. Since it's 4k people though it's still statistically significant for some purposes though. I can say this though. Based on the shouts and cheers for various questions and based on my personal experiences talking to people around the con I have to say there was a very serious casual and hardcore component. The fan festival really had people from all varieties. Even met some people who primarily RP.

[Aethaeryn]

So many people who weren't even there making crazy assumptions.

One thing is true. Easy games don't last because they bore people. People wanting easy content keep wanting us to think of it from there perspective while gleefully falling to follow their own advice.

Most people aren't even asking for easy content. No one asked for older content to be nerfed every time new content is added. That's just what happens now with MMORPGs, and we were told it would happen before 2.0 released. It doesn't matter what your perspective is or my perspective is. I doubt a handful of people arguing about it on the forums is going to sway that decision.

I'll say this a third time... One thing is true: If you don't ease up old content, you discourage new people from ever buying the game because it'll be that much harder to catch up. If you wall off current players and leave them stuck 20 item levels behind everyone else, it can be heavily discouraging.

SCoB will be obsolete in a week. It already isn't a challenge for anyone who has it on farm (and a lot of those people only log on one day a week to coil anyway). Those players will be busy tackling FCoB and getting way better gear anyway. This is just how theme park games work.

[Tiggy]

Edited a post above Alukah with a section about such stats. Seems like we're mostly in agreement on that one.

[Tiggy]

I meant specifically in this thread and the current discussion centering around the coil 2 nerf. Sorry I could have been clearer. There was certainly that group but they got what they wanted and it's separate from the normal coil so I don't think it will be effected by this nerf. I'm curious if it will ever get echo at all.

[polyhedral]

I'm a casual, and a loyal pre-order CE 1.0/alpha/betas player as well. I don't think all loyal customers of this game care to be lumped into the "elite" or the "raider" categories by another outside of themselves labeling themselves.

You'd call me a casual for calling coil BS after the 12th wipe on T5. I don't care. I call you a fool and a jerk to assume so much of others.

If you really want to know how much I spent upgrading this PC to play 1.0, plus my years of a sub in XI to get my hermes shoes, which required upgrading of my computers throughout the years...

Go eat more of that D. You've got savage mode. You want it harder? So less people can join you in this mmo?
Loyalty = Hardcore my a**hole.

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