Booing when Coil2 Nerf was announced

[Riepah]

I can speak from experience that most of the players that can easily clear T9 are actually nice people who are willing to endure their share of wipes while they and their static/guild learn the mechanics.

But again, good job at using a 10 years old stereotype. I bet you feel real clever.

"They and their static/guild" - so, basically, they help themselves? How very nice of them.

[Wyrmnus]

I, just like many others, are simply standing our ground against all these tough guy raiders that demand we're denied even a drip of ease on content. Hell its not even the content on my mind anymore. Its the sheer ARROGANCE of some of these people that have me sick to my stomach. To hell with you people.

[Audacity]

Did you even play endgame with these people ? I can speak from experience that most of the players that can easily clear T9 are actually nice people who are willing to endure their share of wipes while they and their static/guild learn the mechanics. They aren't demanding perfection, they are demanding that you show progress in learning the encounters. If anything, I've seen casuals and pugs be much harsher in their judgment of other people's skills

But again, good job at using a 10 years old stereotype. I bet you feel real clever.

This. I've helped numerous people through T5, even complete strangers, and for free too.

Last week I invited a friend into my static despite her never clearing T8 and only T6+7 once. Why? Because she got those wins with pick up groups and is actually putting effort in to learning the fights and their mechanics. If you show you're trying, Most end game players have no issue in giving you a hand.

But what do I know, Apparently I'm a douchebag because I can clear content.

[Audacity]

Oh really? What proof do you have? The difference here is that some of us want to help others progress instead of being roadblocked by insecure raiders demanding perfection.

I think this and the other 200 threads with people crying about coil is proof enough.

And strangely enough. I seem to find you in most of them.

[ReplicaX]

I think this and the other 200 threads with people crying about coil is proof enough.

And strangely enough. I seem to find you in most of them.

VahnValbosce comes to mind. This thread has it's vocal crybabies and exaggerations from both sides.

[Da_Hero]

Old content is old content...honestly, I don't see why nerfing it is such a big deal. If anything beating an echoed t5, then an echoed t9 (yes echo helps with dps checks but it doesn't get players through t5 or 9 divebombs, or elementals, shriek, or ballistic missle), will prepare new players for t10 much, much better than I was when I started 1st coil in 2.0....as dungeons were extremely easy, with no mechanics, followed by coil, which was a drastic ramp up in difficulty.

[Sparktacus]

Old content is old content...honestly, I don't see why nerfing it is such a big deal. If anything beating an echoed t5, then an echoed t9 (yes echo helps with dps checks but it doesn't get players through t5 or 9 divebombs, or elementals, shriek, or ballistic missle), will prepare new players for t10 much, much better than I was when I started 1st coil in 2.0....as dungeons were extremely easy, with no mechanics, followed by coil, which was a drastic ramp up in difficulty.

This is an excellent point that I think gets neglected. During coil one I had this problem among some others as well, and was not able to get T5 down until Coil2 was released, but still before echo was introduced. The difficulty in the game is non existent up to a point where it can (subjectively) become fairly complex. However since the the training wheels are never taken off until coil (or a no longer necessary TitanX) many a new player hit a skill wall. Echo of old coil is necessary to get more players or players who are just starting a chance to get to new coil quickly. Perhaps the story coil can give some of these players good footing into the actual coil.

[Gucci_Charms]

I find it ridiculous when people say they have "no time" to beat Coil. You have/had 7 months to beat each coil set. The groups that have successfully beaten these coil sets are those who were willing to put in the time, make a lot of mistakes wiping, and continuously improving their gameplay to down the content.

Being proactive gets you far. Being reactive by waiting several months later for Yoshi P and his team to create a Fisher Price version and whining on the forum that end-game content is too hard does not get you far. That time bad players use waiting and complaining on these forums that hardcore end-game raiders aren't helping them could be used to actually learn the end-game coil content instead.

Nerfing content and adding echo buff doesn't actually do bad players a favor either. It really just gives them the illusion that they're good players without realizing where their faults are and how they can improve on them in the long run.

In before NyarukoW post his rant that I supposedly hate new players and so forth:

I'm all for helping new or bad players when needed. If they're not willing to improve their game to down content on their own, however, that's a whole different story.

[NyarukoW]

... It was never, ever, about how fast or easy it eventually became. ...

You don't get the point. The point is about how thing eventually become. You do NOT want to newer players or newbies blocked on stuff forever. So you adjust content difficulty be it crafting, raids, or whatever else so it becomes accessible over time. This SE being really smart about the whole thing. People whine about stuff on the forums all the time, but SE has their own plan and they tune things based on the data they have.

I find it ridiculous when people say they have "no time" to beat Coil. You have/had 7 months to beat each coil set. ...

Ridiculous why? People don't have the time that is fact. SE knows this fact their data bears that out. 7 months is NOT enough time, and certainly not enough for the newbie that liked the trial and gets the new subscription tomorrow, or the legacy player that played for 1 months and for whatever reason had to be away for a year, or people that chose to focus on other aspects and now wants to jump in with final coil. You don't get to dictate how they play. SE knows that. And they want to make things inclusive and accessible, with the new content (a.ka. final coil) being the new big goal for raiders.

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The game learning curve must be maintained to a hard enough degree.

That curve is maintained by new content. Old content being more accessible does not alter that fact.

[Tiggy]

The point is about how thing eventually become.

That wasn't the point SHE was trying to make. Which is why you missed HER point.

Key word Tone down how they implement that will be of course the echo buff also other mechanic on the side tone down and adjust as they deem fit just as they did with all the older content and the newer content untouched until next patch or expansion for the hardcore crowds.

Seriously. Punctuation.

Anyway I'm out of posts for the day. Peace out all.