Booing when Coil2 Nerf was announced

[VahnValbosce]

You must have a lot of friends.

How many friends will you have in game when this game becomes boring and people quit left and right because they're tired of easy content?

You assume challenging content TEARS people apart. LOL...

Challenging Content Brings people TOGETHER more than it tears people apart. That is the point of an MMO, to work together WITH people to overcome a challenge.


OK!!! I must leave this section of the forums before my head explodes from all the non-sense.

[VicViperion]

How many friends will you have in game when this game becomes boring and people quit left and right because they're tired of easy content?

You assume challenging content TEARS people apart. LOL...

Challenging Content Brings people TOGETHER more than it tears people apart. That is the point of an MMO, to work together WITH people to overcome a challenge.

It surely brings people together. All those PF parties asking for fresh players fill the screen, doesn't it? No, wait, they're filling with nothing but i105+ ONLY NO MYTH MESSAGE 1 SHOT ONLY NO N00BS. It's also fairly telling that I never see those parties anywhere near filled either, it's also just 3 players sitting there for hours on end. You're being childish and unreasonable, no one is going to quit the game over any of this.

[Aethaeryn]

How many friends will you have in game when this game becomes boring and people quit left and right because they're tired of easy content?

You assume challenging content TEARS people apart. LOL...

Challenging Content Brings people TOGETHER more than it tears people apart. That is the point of an MMO, to work together WITH people to overcome a challenge.


OK!!! I must leave this section of the forums before my head explodes from all the non-sense.

Nonsense doesn't need to be hyphenated.

My coil group for one of my alts has players of all different gaming backgrounds and skill. We just formed around 2.3, and we're on t8 right now and feeling pretty good about it. There are a couple of people in the group who take a lot longer to pick up mechanics than the rest of us. If we'd kicked them early on or passed over them because of this, we would have missed out on building a couple of great friendships that have enriched my time with this game.

Punishing people because of poorly designed content is asinine. There's a reason people also "boo'd" when they found out that FCoB was designed by the same person who made Titan and SCoB.

(Moved this from my other post because you don't seem to actually pay attention to posts once they're a page back. You ignored mine from like 4 pages ago.)

People are quitting because CURRENT content is easy and new content comes in too slowly. There's not enough horizontal progression to keep the players with significantly more time and more drive to quickly plow through content. If you think more people are quitting because old content is eased up in difficulty, you are wrong.

The same things that make SCoB too easy for the hardcore crowd could be fixed in ways that make them more manageable for people who aren't necessarily super amazing at twitch mechanics or multitasking.

[VicViperion]

YOUR SOLUTION: Nerf the entire content to help that 1 person progress!!!

MY SOLUTION: You're holding back our raid progression, we're replacing you for someone else who can clear it or actually cares about clearing it. /kick



Ok. Now I'm Done. Bye.

Your "solution" is childish at best. Much like your attitude. Things can be challenging without being artificial difficulty, a concept you seem unable to grasp. The current state of Coil is pure artificial difficulty, it relies on nothing challenging. You just said it yourself, the only challenging part is hoping another party member doesn't cause any of a myriad of insta-wipe moves to trigger.

[VahnValbosce]

Your "solution" is childish at best. Much like your attitude.

Now I know the truth. Regular Players get cornered into the "Elitist" category, simply because they can clear content and others cannot.

You call my attitude childish, but you've yet to come up with sound arguments, and just result in name-calling. I run an FC and people APPRECIATE the things I do for them and we talk on teamspeak and joke around together.

YOU are the one calling ME an elitist.
YOU are the one angry at the 1 player who can't progress, instead of realizing that its their problem that THEY need to fix, you want to NERF content for the 7 other players in the group.
YOU are the one assuming things about me, such as I have "No Friends" or that I'm socially awkward and a SLEW of other STEREOTYPES.

It's honestly all hog-wash and blind sighted emotional rhetoric.

[DefendPopPunk]

I'm pretty sure most casual players aren't going to attend a fanfest, and they're far from a minority when it comes to the population of an MMO like this one. I wouldn't take the fan reaction as some type of consensus about what we think of coil nerfs. I couldn't care less about doing coil or any endgame but I would still support making it easier for those that are interested in doing it (if it's really that hard).

[ReplicaX]

I'm pretty sure most casual players aren't going to attend a fanfest, and they're far from a minority when it comes to the population of an MMO like this one.

That can be said for any player type as far as Fanfest goes. The event is limited in attendance size, requires travel, time off, and money. I'm sure many casual players were there if the distance was feasible for them.

[Velox]

I hate gray-area statistics and terms, so I try to think of content on a controlled scale of completion percentages to define what is easy and what is hard.

≥51% of the total playerbase can beat it = easy content
≤49% of the total playerbase can beat it = hard content
≤23% of the total playerbase can beat it = challenging content
≤9% of the total playerbase can beat it = extreme content

This is how I've balanced my games in the past. I'm not saying this is the best way to do it, as it will differ depending on structure, demographic, battle system, etc., but it has worked for me thus far.

[Norb]

And I'm done "discussing" topics with people on these forums.

I'm done with this topic.

%@#!'ing done with this thread.

Looks to me like you aren't "done" at all.

[VahnValbosce]

Looks to me like you aren't "done" at all.

Yea you're right, because people kept putting words in my mouth so I had to come back to defend myself.

Btw, your post is just another silly attempt at discrediting all the points I've put forward. Have fun with your FOX NEWS debate mentality.

...SE will take 99 of us scrubs than 1 of you any day of the week.

"99% of the playerbase is scrubs, BUT no wait, VAHN is the elitist Jerk!"

HAHAHA..... LOL.... HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA........... AHHHHAHAHAHA.....

Guys stop it, you're killing me! Hahahahaha... Ahahahaha...

So many people who weren't even there making crazy assumptions.

One thing is true. Easy games don't last because they bore people. People wanting easy content keep wanting us to think of it from there perspective while gleefully falling to follow their own advice.

No, they can't clear the content, so they turn around and call us Elitist JERKS instead of fixing their own problems that they need to fix in order to clear the raid.

End of discussion, GG.