Please add clearance condition to Group Finder

[Alistaire]

That mentality of yours is totally missing the forest for the trees. The clear sellers are probably the ones promoting this idea. Once new people can't get lucky sneak in with a experienced folks, guess who will come to the rescue for a price? And guess who else also likes this? The RMT Gil sellers will also like this because now their is a demand for their ill-gotten gil. Not only is this bad for new players, it is bad for the game overall.



What is wrong with new people?

You're right; I hadn't considered it that way, maybe because what you consider "lucky sneak in" I'd consider the mark of a terrible player. Not so much terrible in skill, that much is a given, but terrible in attitude. And I'd rather deal with players who start off terrible at mechanics and learn than the type you describe: leeches. I'm glad that with changes now leeches have to buy runs more and get "lucky sneak ins" less.

And I help new people when they're honest about it. Nothing "lucky" about carrying people who are being deceitful.

[NyarukoW]

.. Nothing "lucky" about carrying people who are being deceitful.

I am 100% for people announcing they are new in all dungeons. We had a FC member who put up PFs asking for farm parties while one of our FC member is mixed in with us trying to learn and trying to clear. We had to ask him to change the description, because it would become quickly obvious when you get past the phase where the stuff is new to the person that is trying to clear. He would even tell them, "you shouldn't say you are new because you are scaring away all the fish." People resort to being deceitful when people are not being inclusive and stop trying to help everyone learn.

The "clear condition" will just get you people who bought clears in your farm party and getting wipes. They want those mounts too, and they will join your farm party. The only people that benefit from a "clearance condition" are the clear sellers and RMT.

[Gucci_Charms]

Rants.

Knowing the fight involves actually running through each phase of the battle. Anyone can watch a video. Watching a video, however, doesn't actually give anyone the full advantage of a full hands-on approach of doing the fight. You can easily tell someone's skill and if they're experienced by how they perform in the instance. This has been apparent with the tougher fights such as Titan EX, Ramuh EX, Turn 5, Turn 9, Savage Coil. Worrying about whether or not they paid for their clear is therefore meaningless. If the player is bad, they're getting removed in any case lol.

In regards to your emphasis on waiting for people to join the farm or clear party, I'd rather wait 5 minutes or longer for a quality player that can 1-3 shot a fight versus wiping for hours with a clueless or "experienced" new player. In this case, there is a no win-win situation. It comes down to opportunity costs for the entire 7 other people in the party. The 100 Mythology message is the new way to filter such players, and I am glad they added it so that ninja winners or new players don't ruin the clear or farming party.

And FYI, no one does the community a favour by carrying players which you are so fond of. This actually increases the amount of bad players on your specific server who will likely end up getting blacklisted by others for being so bad.

[NyarukoW]

...
In regards to your emphasis on waiting for people to join the farm or clear party, I'd rather wait 5 minutes or longer for a quality player that can 1-3 shot a fight...

It is wishful thinking that you'd get someone in 5 minutes more time. I've had see the same T6 PF on there for 3 hours or more and never get going. And most people that do this will vote abandon after the 3rd wipe anyways. So I'd rather take a chance with a someone learning and trying.

[Gucci_Charms]

It is wishful thinking that you'd get someone in 5 minutes more time. I've had see the same T6 PF on there for 3 hours or more and never get going. And most people that do this will vote abandon after the 3rd wipe anyways. So I'd rather take a chance with a someone learning and trying.

It isn't wishful thinking. I don't know how populated your server is, but on Tues-Weds when my group and I do it and we need a fill-in, the slot gets filled within that time. Again, wait time will obviously vary on the day you do SCOB. If you delay it for later in the week, the longer the wait time will be. You'll also get the worse players of the bunch later in the week too lol.

[SkylerStorm]

You must be against handicap accessible ramps and parking spaces too.

The stupidest response I've ever heard.

People trying to leech a carry because they're either a) too lazy/bad to learn or b) can't afford/won't pay for a carry is nothing like being disabled in any way shape or form. And quite frankly you're a sad sick individual by suggesting laziness is on the same level as being handicapped. People do not choose to be handicapped, it is a disability that is thrust upon them and is nothing like the issue we are discussing here.

If you do not understand the discussion, then don't comment, and think before you say such stupid things in future.

[NyarukoW]

.... People trying to leech a carry ...

There is where you are wrong. People are NOT trying to leech a carry. They just want an opportunity to play and learn. They want access and you want to refuse them access. They just happened to be less fortunate than you. You falsely attribute the newer players to being lazy, just like you disgustingly falsely attribute handicap as being lazy. They also shouldn't have to pay for clears ever, people should not be supporting pay-to-win like you do. The players that didn't get a clear are handicapped by the fact that they don't have a static, they haven't had the time and opportunity to practice. People do not choose to be without a static or without a group to practice. They need access just like the handicap need access. By having a clearance condition you are denying them access.

Don't pretend you didn't say this:

..
It seems people only want the preferential treatment to be given to people at the lower end of the spectrum.

You want to deny them access, whoever the lower end of the spectrum includes. Heaven forbid someone with a physical handicap play the game, and you don't let them in your static because they can't use mumble since they are deaf, or they have to play with one hand. Or perhaps they have learning disabilities and can figure this out only with more reps and practice, but you would be against it because it is "preferential treatment" to the "lower end of the spectrum."

[Gucci_Charms]

There is where you are wrong. People are NOT trying to leech a carry. They just want an opportunity to play and learn. They want access and you want to refuse them access. They just happened to be less fortunate than you.

No one is refusing new players any form of access. They have an opportunity to play and learn by creating or joining a LEARNING or PROGRESS PARTY. Joining a farm or previously cleared only party is simply asking to be carried or leeching. Ain't nobody got time for that! If these parties want to waste hours to help new players, then they won't name it as a farm or weekly clear party.

There is no such thing as being less fortunate than other players either. Everyone has equal access to accomplishing anything in this game. The only major difference between any player is how much time and effort they can or want to commit to this game.

[NyarukoW]

No one is refusing new players any form of access. ...

Really? Right now they can not deny access, but what about the time if and when "clear condition" is made real like those who advocated for this likes? With the "clear condition" you will be denying access and refusing new players of all forms.

And why is it that the farm PFs are always waiting for that magical person? The fact of the matter is there is just not enough players who has gotten that far already, and yet there are many that want to try and learn and get past it, but these farm PFs don't want them. Excluding people was never the answer, and that is the source of the problem. And the "clear condition" will only make things worse by motivating RMT, clear sellers, and those that want farm parties will now have people with clears that will be clueless and wipe the party.

And there are players who are less fortunate, including those who have RL handicaps. But more commonly, there are a lot of casual players who just don't have the time to go thru all the reps needed to right now to learn everything. They are less fortunate they can not play as much. The lucky top 1% have no business denying the rest of the 99% to have an opportunity to try the newer/harder fights, especially with mechanism like the "clear condition" which only makes everything worse.

[Gucci_Charms]

Really? Right now they can not deny access, but what about the time if and when "clear condition" is made real like those who advocated for this likes?
With the "clear condition" you will be denying access and refusing new players of all forms.

Not really. A clear condition is designed for hardcore end-game raiders who want to farm or be done with their weekly clears in the most efficient manner.

Again, what is stopping new players from creating or joining a learning or progress party to start learning the fight? Nothing. There's a difference between learning and making an effort versus depending on 7 other people who have beaten the specific instance to carry the weight of the new player. If the new player ever wants to actually farm at some point, he/she will actually have to make the effort to learn the specific fight. It will also help that player in the long run too.