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    Quote Originally Posted by NyarukoW View Post
    There is where you are wrong. People are NOT trying to leech a carry. They just want an opportunity to play and learn. They want access and you want to refuse them access. They just happened to be less fortunate than you.
    No one is refusing new players any form of access. They have an opportunity to play and learn by creating or joining a LEARNING or PROGRESS PARTY. Joining a farm or previously cleared only party is simply asking to be carried or leeching. Ain't nobody got time for that! If these parties want to waste hours to help new players, then they won't name it as a farm or weekly clear party.

    There is no such thing as being less fortunate than other players either. Everyone has equal access to accomplishing anything in this game. The only major difference between any player is how much time and effort they can or want to commit to this game.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gucci_Charms View Post
    No one is refusing new players any form of access. ...
    Really? Right now they can not deny access, but what about the time if and when "clear condition" is made real like those who advocated for this likes? With the "clear condition" you will be denying access and refusing new players of all forms.

    And why is it that the farm PFs are always waiting for that magical person? The fact of the matter is there is just not enough players who has gotten that far already, and yet there are many that want to try and learn and get past it, but these farm PFs don't want them. Excluding people was never the answer, and that is the source of the problem. And the "clear condition" will only make things worse by motivating RMT, clear sellers, and those that want farm parties will now have people with clears that will be clueless and wipe the party.

    And there are players who are less fortunate, including those who have RL handicaps. But more commonly, there are a lot of casual players who just don't have the time to go thru all the reps needed to right now to learn everything. They are less fortunate they can not play as much. The lucky top 1% have no business denying the rest of the 99% to have an opportunity to try the newer/harder fights, especially with mechanism like the "clear condition" which only makes everything worse.
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    Quote Originally Posted by NyarukoW View Post
    Really? Right now they can not deny access, but what about the time if and when "clear condition" is made real like those who advocated for this likes?
    With the "clear condition" you will be denying access and refusing new players of all forms.
    Not really. A clear condition is designed for hardcore end-game raiders who want to farm or be done with their weekly clears in the most efficient manner.

    Again, what is stopping new players from creating or joining a learning or progress party to start learning the fight? Nothing. There's a difference between learning and making an effort versus depending on 7 other people who have beaten the specific instance to carry the weight of the new player. If the new player ever wants to actually farm at some point, he/she will actually have to make the effort to learn the specific fight. It will also help that player in the long run too.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gucci_Charms View Post
    ... for hardcore end-game raiders who want to farm or be done with their weekly clears in the most efficient manner.
    "Most efficent manner" is what you wish for, but there is no good reason why SE would want to exclude 99% of the player base for the top 1% to do that. And which hard-core raider does NOT have a proper static fully manned? And which truly top notch group of 7 is afraid of carrying 1 new player? I've seen FCs do this offering free clears because they are just 7 and they have a well earned reputation as good group of people if you are lucky enough to go with them. To them helping the new player is good, and this a way to increase the challenge and difficulty level, as well as opportunity to evaluate and recruit.

    Quote Originally Posted by Gucci_Charms View Post
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    what is stopping new players from creating or joining a learning or progress party to start learning the fight?
    What is denying them access to a party that just needs 1 more player? They can help fill out the party and learn at the same time. Again they may think they have progressed past the learning party, and they should have the opportunity to try.
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    Quote Originally Posted by NyarukoW View Post
    What is denying them access to a party that just needs 1 more player? They can help fill out the party and learn at the same time. Again they may think they have progressed past the learning party, and they should have the opportunity to try.
    What is denying the 1 new player access is the fact that the specific party does not want to carry him/her when it clearly says it's a farm/previous win party. If the new player wants learn, they can join or create their own learning party. Veteran raiders are not obligated to help new players. What you're asking for is beyond simply learning the instance.

    What you want is simply a means for new players to get carried through content with as little effort as possible.

    And FYI, 99% of the player base would not be excluded by adding this option. Exaggerate much lol? Proper statics are fully manned by competent and players who put in time and effort. They are not comprised of "I want to be carried" mentality players.
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