Please add clearance condition to Group Finder

[Yoninxi]

Yes. It only spreads negativity.

Someone joining a "farm only" fight that is clearly not prepared isn't gonna add to that negativity?

[Moqi]

Someone joining a "farm only" fight that is clearly not prepared isn't gonna add to that negativity?

He's not gonna be the one insulting people, so no.

[Gucci_Charms]

Horrible idea. I wish they would hide the new player message as well.

Those 7 other people who beat it already put their time and effort to learn the fight to make it farmable. No one likes free-loaders who waste everyone's time. I prefer new player/100 mythology message.

[Tiggy]

This thread takes the elitist cake.

[Brine_Gildchaff]

Let me try and put this another way: Currently players new to the endgame scene face a problem oddly similar to that many attempting to enter the workforce face: everyone wants "experienced" members for their PF, and it's rare indeed to see a group actively open to teach newer players. There's not really an opportunity -for- players to learn anymore except through DF, which is almost always a rage-inducing waste of time, or by opening up their own parties, which often never actually have people join them who have any actual experience. The proposed "clearance condition" would exacerbate this problem, so regardless of whatever pros it might have, it really shouldn't be implemented.

[Alistaire]

Let me try and put this another way: Currently players new to the endgame scene face a problem oddly similar to that many attempting to enter the workforce face: everyone wants "experienced" members for their PF, and it's rare indeed to see a group actively open to teach newer players. There's not really an opportunity -for- players to learn anymore except through DF, which is almost always a rage-inducing waste of time, or by opening up their own parties, which often never actually have people join them who have any actual experience. The proposed "clearance condition" would exacerbate this problem, so regardless of whatever pros it might have, it really shouldn't be implemented.

That'd be a good analogy if you included that it was absolutely free and took no effort whatsoever to just create your own work team and specify 0 experience necessary; will train. Party finder; where you can be your own boss.

...but then that'd entirely defeat your point now wouldn't it?

[NyarukoW]

That'd be a good analogy if you included that it was absolutely free and took no effort whatsoever to just create your own work team and specify 0 experience necessary; will train. Party finder; where you can be your own boss.
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Guess what, people can go out start their own business/company in real life too. Be your own boss, but that works how well again?

Telling new players they are NOT wanted, is a no go for SE. The top 1% don't need more tools to exclude other players. Not to mention this clearance condition will be a boon for clear sellers and RMT.

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And FYI, 99% of the player base would not be excluded by adding this option. Exaggerate much lol?

Nope not exaggerating. How many people to this day still need to clear T5 or Titan EX. Go poll the people online in game. You get lucky to find more than 5% of them to have cleared both, that number is probably closer to 1%. And T9, there are not that many statics that can do that at all. It is same group of people that can afford the houses now being priced so that only the top 1% have the gil on hand to acquire those. Same reason why T5/Titan EX clears are being sold at 1mil per run.

... Do not sit here and try to dictate to them what they should or shouldn't do - it is not your place and you have no leg to stand on to try to enforce your misplaced moral values on this subject.

Nobody is dictating to them. Remember these are the people that dictate to the unwashed masses of newer players to stay away from them on the PF. They don't need tools in the system to make that even easier. They can kick and they do kick, but at least they have to try. And who are you to tell people to be quiet. It is not about moral values anyways, it is about enlightened self-interest. By getting more access to more people, it helps SE, and helps the player base, and in turn helps myself to have more people to play with, and more chances to clear new challenging content. It is taking the long view and bigger picture approach. There will only be fewer and fewer people to draw from the further up the ladder, and that "clear condition" will basically exclude everyone before you know it.

Imagine on day one of SCOB being released, it will be a real laugh to see people setting the clearance condition flag for cleared T9, most likely because they haven't even cleared T6 themselves, and then complain about how they can't find anyone as good as themselves.

[Alistaire]

Guess what, people can go out start their own business/company in real life too. Be your own boss, but that works how well again?

Telling new players they are NOT wanted, is a no go for SE. The top 1% don't need more tools to exclude other players. Not to mention this clearance condition will be a boon for clear sellers and RMT.

How well it works in real life is vastly different than how well it works here. Which is my point about how terrible your analogy is.

[Brine_Gildchaff]

That'd be a good analogy if you included that it was absolutely free and took no effort whatsoever to just create your own work team and specify 0 experience necessary; will train. Party finder; where you can be your own boss.

I addressed this, actually. The problem is that when newbies actually try this they often have a great deal of difficulty drawing people in, since there just aren't that many altruistic elite players out there.

[Apricoth]

I do not see a problem with the OP's suggestion. It would be a tool that will allow a player to have better control of their time as well as help others that fall on to the same experience page of the content they want to clear in an efficient manner. That party leader is putting his/her time on the table and it should be respected. The other experienced players are also putting their time on the table that requires courtesy. Anyone else that stands here trying to make what the OP has suggested out to be something monstrous/segratorial/anti-social needs to take it elsewhere. If someone needs to clear content for the first time, then by all means, grab the help of your FC/LS-mates or throw it up in the PF as a "learning" party or "need help" party. If experienced players wish to help those that have not cleared a particular content, they will open up those doors and assist. Do not sit here and try to dictate to them what they should or shouldn't do - it is not your place and you have no leg to stand on to try to enforce your misplaced moral values on this subject. They pay their subscriptions like all other players and will play the game as they see fit. If you fear elitism - as someone has already said, it is already prevalent in the game. What is to stop party leaders or entire parties voting to kick someone? I would even go as far as to say the OPs request would be excellent as it would prevent the non-clear people from being kicked when it has been discovered they lied - they just wouldn't be in the party in the first place!

Of course, just my opinion. <shrug>