Please add clearance condition to Group Finder

[TomTom1968]

What would I like to have?

A checkbox I can enable when I start a Group search so I can lock out people who do not have a previous kill of a Coil Turn, Ex fight or whatever I am trying to get a group for (which is not supposed to be a training party but a kill/farm party).

This "win" information for each dungeon or Raid is stored on each character anyways so SE does not need to install new flags. Only a check that is done when somebody tries to enter the group through Group search and the checkbox "previous clearance required" or similiar was checked from the one who starts the search.

Why would I like to have it?

Too many players give a damn about it if you include in the group search description that a former kill or several ones are a prerequisite to enter the party.

Some solve this problem with loot links or a Link to Lodestone achievements but the latter is a no go for me on a PS4 because the link is really long to type.

Even if I could check out players on Lodestone more easily, I do not really feel to have to stalk them just in order to get an experienced party together.

I can't see it anymore when everybody claims to have downed it but then upon entering, you see that you receive a Myth bonus for at least one of the players in your group. And there are also the blatant ones who just hope they beat it faster if the rest is experienced at least. And they do not care that they are holding seven other players back. The fights are designed brutally enough that one weak spot can put the entire party on hold. Of course you can ask such players to leave or force kick them if needed but then you search again and I do not have unlimited time.

Not saying that everything is fine if somebody has beaten a fight once (he could have been carried through it, dead most of the time etc.) but it is at least an indicator that somebody has seen all mechanics in all phases at least. So please improve the group finder. It is a very nice tool already but it needs more tools to search for specific players.

TL/DR: Install a checkbox where you can start looking for a group of players with a previous win as mandarory to enter.

[Huntington]

I could see something like this being made available to players later on in the game's lifetime when there's a lot more content.

[Shougun]

Promotes prejudice XD, I'd rather not see it even be an option. I like the idea that in order to force segregation it causes stress, meaning only the most serious will do it - if you make it easy more will do it.

I suppose if there was even greater encouragement to bring fresh players through then allowing helped segregation would be "alright". Something serious like 200+ allied seals or depending on the content an extra chest.

[ispano]

Promotes prejudice XD, I'd rather not see it even be an option. I like the idea that in order to force segregation it causes stress, meaning only the most serious will do it - if you make it easy more will do it.

I suppose if there was even greater encouragement to bring fresh players through then allowing helped segregation would be "alright". Something serious like 200+ allied seals or depending on the content an extra chest.

The thing is that the prejudice as you call it, already exists. Except now, those people who have not cleared and are not good enough can join anyways and waste people's time.

[Shougun]

The thing is that the prejudice as you call it, already exists. Except now, those people who have not cleared and are not good enough can join anyways and waste people's time.

In what you quoted you can see that I know it already exists. So.. Yeah..? Second sentence in particular addresses this. "I know people do it, I like that it causes the person having prejudice stress, that means they are serious to be as such".

[TomTom1968]

I get what you mean but I would like to have a choice to search for players who are in the same or similiar boat I am. I also do not know what it has to do with prejudice when I ask for clearance for something I have on Farm status and can't be bothered to train anymore - unless sby asks me for help and I agree. I am not a dick and nowhere near a Hardcore player. I have Patience and also give people a chance and do not leave after 2 wipes like some do. But I am also no student anymore so my time is limited and I need several hours for a fight that takes five minutes and this doesn't feel right, especially because it is all of the time because of the same reason. People not meeting your search conditions and joining nevertheless.

There is a difference between training, getting your first win and having something on Farm mode. When I am new to a fight and need a group, I search for a training party, speficially mentioning the phase I need training. When I am close to kill a new fight, I start a group search "aim for the win" so everybody knows that this is for people who are close to the win already. When I have defeated a boss 1st time, I do not claim to have the fight on Farm mode, this is the follow up, after having defeated a content a few times. It is about honesty, sadly something you can't put your bet on all players. I would never ever join a farm group hoping they carry me through it. Or a kill party where previous kills are mandatory per group search description but I haven't downed it once.

[ispano]

In what you quoted you can see that I know it already exists. So.. Yeah..? Second sentence in particular addresses this. "I know people do it, I like that it causes the person being prejudice stress, that means they are serious to be as such".

So it's ok for these people to be messing with people like this? And it's not segregation, it's filtering out people that have not cleared the content. And guess what, that's up to the party leader, why should they have to wipe/kick people who join anyways when they shouldn't have. The people joining without the clear are the ones in the wrong, not the people making the groups.

[Shougun]

I get what you mean but I would like to have a choice to search for players who are in the same or similiar boat I am. I also do not know what it has to do with prejudice when I ask for clearance for something I have on Farm status and can't be bothered to train anymore - unless sby asks me for help and I agree. I am not a dick and nowhere near a Hardcore player. I have Patience and also give people a chance and do not leave after 2 wipes like some do. But I am also no student anymore so my time is limited and I need several hours for a fight that takes five minutes and this doesn't feel right, especially because it is all of the time because of the same reason. People not meeting your search conditions and joining nevertheless.

There is a difference between training, getting your first win and having something on Farm mode. When I am new to a fight and need a group, I search for a training party, speficially mentioning the phase I need training. When I am close to kill a new fight, I start a group search "aim for the win" so everybody knows that this is for people who are close to the win already. When I have defeated a boss 1st time, I do not claim to have the fight on Farm mode, this is the follow up, after having defeated a content a few times. It is about honesty, sadly something you can't put your bet on all players. I would never ever join a farm group hoping they carry me through it. Or a kill party where previous kills are mandatory per group search description but I haven't downed it once.

I suppose the word prejudice is a word loaded with negative connotation. I don't mean to say you are a dick :P. I mean to say that making the action easier will make it more popular than it already is and I don't think the gain is worth the consequence and mentality it will bring and allow to the community as a whole, something that it already has seeds for. Don't grow the plant, that's what I'm saying.

So it's ok for these people to be messing with people like this?

Being a liar, no that isn't cool - but again I'd rather not see the mentality grow. How easy it will be just to have that check box on, just leave it on.. Lets not deal with the newbs.. damn scrubs.. ect ect.

That is why I said perhaps if the reward for bringing new people was extremely bountiful... it may out weigh the new mindset that a simple check box can foster. As now it is stressful to keep out new people, it takes work- in the new system not at all.. super easy. If you add a counter balance it will bring back the decision "do I really want to?". In fact a bonus might be more effective than the stress lol.

[ispano]

Being a liar, no that isn't cool - but again I'd rather not see the mentality grow. How easy it will be just to have that check box on, just leave it on.. Lets not deal with the newbs.. damn scrubs.. ect ect.

That is why I said perhaps if the reward for bringing new people was extremely bountiful... it may out weigh the new mindset that a simple check box can foster. As now it is stressful to keep out new people, it takes work- in the new system not at all.. super easy. If you add a counter balance it will bring back the decision "do I really want to?". In fact a bonus might be more effective than the stress lol.

Except those people WON'T change to the type that wants to help new people. Even people who don't mind helping grow tired of helping every single person they come across. But when we just want to not deal with them, we have no way to filter them out except to just not do the content we want done for the most part. People say the content is what forces people into statics. I say it's the playerbase.

[TomTom1968]

That's where I beg to differ. When I join a Daily Roulette, I am up for anything. People on their 1st attempt, people not really knowing what they do. I know it may take longer and live with it. When I do Low Level Roulette as Tank, a dungeon can take up to one hour if you have team mates who want to see the whole dungeon and kill all enemies for EXP. That's all OK because it is the nature of the Roulette and I am open to help people if I see they struggle and take the time needed without giving up early like some do. I also help FC mates or join training parties to help if I have time.

But how on Earth am I supposed to search for players when I aim for a quick kill? Last week where I was without my static clearly showed me that you can put up anything in Group Finder as description and still people join who need lots of training or just hope for a win because the rest of the group is experienced instead of having killed it and already knowing what to do for it like asked for in the description. Not sure if I really ask for too much with it or if it is already seen as "Elitist attitude" lol. There are times where I like to pick specific players for specific goals. And downing something I have on Farm mode is something I want to do fast. It is an option I would choose for maybe 5% of the groups I search for, a vast minority so to say. And of course, you should only be able to check it if you have cleared it on your own as well so it is basically setting a requirement you meet on your own.