Please add clearance condition to Group Finder

[Gucci_Charms]

What is wrong with new people? They they get ebola or something? Why not help them learn and if you are lucky you can carry them. Welcome new people with open arms and have a good time helping them. And in doing so you help build the community and help the game. Stop with the mentality of rushing thru content and everyone else is just a speed bump for you between straight line between points A and B.

His point is that why should the 7 people who are trying to farm or clear for the week be obligated to help the new player? They learned it through practice parties and time investment. Why can't the new dude do the same? It's easy to make or join a learning or progress party for that sole purpose. I find it pretty inconsiderate to join a clear or farm party just to make yourself look bad by dying and claiming you supposedly reached near the end of the fight when you clearly didn't based on poor performance.

If they wanna help, then they'll help the new player. New players shouldn't just join a group assuming they can be carried willingly by everyone.

[NyarukoW]

His point is that why should the 7 people who are trying to farm or clear for the week be obligated to help the new player? They learned it through practice parties and time investment. Why can't the new dude do the same?

The new guy is learning it with the other 7. Why not help the new guy learn? The party finder is like forming a pick-up game. You will get different skill and experience level. The 7 is short on people that is why it they are using the PF. They just want ignore the value of the new guy being there and filling out their roster so they can game on and not be stuck waiting. If the 7 are so good, then tell the new guy to stand the corner and let the 7 carry him if it is faster to so. But the 7 can NOT reasonablely demand that they have their party filled with people they want when they want it without forming a static of people they know.

And there is nothing to stop them from trying it once with the new guy and then removing the new guy from the party if the new guy can't handle it. Sure beats waiting and doing nothing right? It is a win win for all involved to be inclusive.

[Yoninxi]

What is wrong with new people? They they get ebola or something? Why not help them learn and if you are lucky you can carry them. Welcome new people with open arms and have a good time helping them. And in doing so you help build the community and help the game. Stop with the mentality of rushing thru content and everyone else is just a speed bump for you between straight line between points A and B.

What part aren't you comprehending? If I want a farm only group, I do not want to have to teach someone the fight and wipe over and over just cause someone else wants to learn the fight. That's what learning parties are for, not farming parties.

[NyarukoW]

What part aren't you comprehending? If I want a farm only group, I do not want to have to teach someone the fight and wipe over and over just cause someone else wants to learn the fight. That's what learning parties are for, not farming parties.

Learning to farm is also learning. I've seen farming parties wipe over and over with people that all cleared and did not get the "100 myth" bonus message. I've also seen people 1-shot T5 with a "new guy" (not really new after they've been trying for weeks) and got the new guy a clear.

The "clear" indicator is not a clear indicator for whether your party will wipe or not during a farm party session. You are not comprehending that reality is as black and white as you wish it to be by saying things like "farm party". The correct attitude to take is to give everyone the benefit of the doubt and help them learn. A quick clear is nice, but that is the bonus reward. The default expectation should be multiple wipes without clears.

If you really want to farm, form your static, have it filled out, and don't expect some kind samaritan come fill out that final spot to help you get you your quick run. And usually this is a tank or healer that is supposed to magically show up and help you for next to nothing. This is really is entitlement mindset that says I am entitled to quick clear runs.

I think it is only fair the in exchange for a chance to getting someone that is experienced, you also have a chance to get someone that is learning. NO one should be entitled to have their cake and eat it too. That is not fair to anyone.

[Alistaire]

That mentality of yours is totally missing the forest for the trees. The clear sellers are probably the ones promoting this idea. Once new people can't get lucky sneak in with a experienced folks, guess who will come to the rescue for a price? And guess who else also likes this? The RMT Gil sellers will also like this because now their is a demand for their ill-gotten gil. Not only is this bad for new players, it is bad for the game overall.



What is wrong with new people?

You're right; I hadn't considered it that way, maybe because what you consider "lucky sneak in" I'd consider the mark of a terrible player. Not so much terrible in skill, that much is a given, but terrible in attitude. And I'd rather deal with players who start off terrible at mechanics and learn than the type you describe: leeches. I'm glad that with changes now leeches have to buy runs more and get "lucky sneak ins" less.

And I help new people when they're honest about it. Nothing "lucky" about carrying people who are being deceitful.

[NyarukoW]

.. Nothing "lucky" about carrying people who are being deceitful.

I am 100% for people announcing they are new in all dungeons. We had a FC member who put up PFs asking for farm parties while one of our FC member is mixed in with us trying to learn and trying to clear. We had to ask him to change the description, because it would become quickly obvious when you get past the phase where the stuff is new to the person that is trying to clear. He would even tell them, "you shouldn't say you are new because you are scaring away all the fish." People resort to being deceitful when people are not being inclusive and stop trying to help everyone learn.

The "clear condition" will just get you people who bought clears in your farm party and getting wipes. They want those mounts too, and they will join your farm party. The only people that benefit from a "clearance condition" are the clear sellers and RMT.

[Bruiser_Cruiser]

This is a pretty cool idea. I also would like to know if it would be possible to add something at the end of the dungeon asking if the group would like to requeue again with the current members. If someone clicks no the duty finder should refill the spot. I know this is straight from wow but its a very nice feature.

[Moqi]

Horrible idea. I wish they would hide the new player message as well.

[Yoninxi]

Horrible idea. I wish they would hide the new player message as well.

To make it harder to determine if someone is new? That's unfair to the 7 other people trying to farm cause someone is trying to ninja a carry.

[Moqi]

To make it harder to determine if someone is new?

Yes. It only spreads negativity.