Please add clearance condition to Group Finder

[SkylerStorm]

You must be against handicap accessible ramps and parking spaces too.

The stupidest response I've ever heard.

People trying to leech a carry because they're either a) too lazy/bad to learn or b) can't afford/won't pay for a carry is nothing like being disabled in any way shape or form. And quite frankly you're a sad sick individual by suggesting laziness is on the same level as being handicapped. People do not choose to be handicapped, it is a disability that is thrust upon them and is nothing like the issue we are discussing here.

If you do not understand the discussion, then don't comment, and think before you say such stupid things in future.

[NyarukoW]

.... People trying to leech a carry ...

There is where you are wrong. People are NOT trying to leech a carry. They just want an opportunity to play and learn. They want access and you want to refuse them access. They just happened to be less fortunate than you. You falsely attribute the newer players to being lazy, just like you disgustingly falsely attribute handicap as being lazy. They also shouldn't have to pay for clears ever, people should not be supporting pay-to-win like you do. The players that didn't get a clear are handicapped by the fact that they don't have a static, they haven't had the time and opportunity to practice. People do not choose to be without a static or without a group to practice. They need access just like the handicap need access. By having a clearance condition you are denying them access.

Don't pretend you didn't say this:

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It seems people only want the preferential treatment to be given to people at the lower end of the spectrum.

You want to deny them access, whoever the lower end of the spectrum includes. Heaven forbid someone with a physical handicap play the game, and you don't let them in your static because they can't use mumble since they are deaf, or they have to play with one hand. Or perhaps they have learning disabilities and can figure this out only with more reps and practice, but you would be against it because it is "preferential treatment" to the "lower end of the spectrum."

[Gucci_Charms]

There is where you are wrong. People are NOT trying to leech a carry. They just want an opportunity to play and learn. They want access and you want to refuse them access. They just happened to be less fortunate than you.

No one is refusing new players any form of access. They have an opportunity to play and learn by creating or joining a LEARNING or PROGRESS PARTY. Joining a farm or previously cleared only party is simply asking to be carried or leeching. Ain't nobody got time for that! If these parties want to waste hours to help new players, then they won't name it as a farm or weekly clear party.

There is no such thing as being less fortunate than other players either. Everyone has equal access to accomplishing anything in this game. The only major difference between any player is how much time and effort they can or want to commit to this game.

[NyarukoW]

No one is refusing new players any form of access. ...

Really? Right now they can not deny access, but what about the time if and when "clear condition" is made real like those who advocated for this likes? With the "clear condition" you will be denying access and refusing new players of all forms.

And why is it that the farm PFs are always waiting for that magical person? The fact of the matter is there is just not enough players who has gotten that far already, and yet there are many that want to try and learn and get past it, but these farm PFs don't want them. Excluding people was never the answer, and that is the source of the problem. And the "clear condition" will only make things worse by motivating RMT, clear sellers, and those that want farm parties will now have people with clears that will be clueless and wipe the party.

And there are players who are less fortunate, including those who have RL handicaps. But more commonly, there are a lot of casual players who just don't have the time to go thru all the reps needed to right now to learn everything. They are less fortunate they can not play as much. The lucky top 1% have no business denying the rest of the 99% to have an opportunity to try the newer/harder fights, especially with mechanism like the "clear condition" which only makes everything worse.

[Gucci_Charms]

Really? Right now they can not deny access, but what about the time if and when "clear condition" is made real like those who advocated for this likes?
With the "clear condition" you will be denying access and refusing new players of all forms.

Not really. A clear condition is designed for hardcore end-game raiders who want to farm or be done with their weekly clears in the most efficient manner.

Again, what is stopping new players from creating or joining a learning or progress party to start learning the fight? Nothing. There's a difference between learning and making an effort versus depending on 7 other people who have beaten the specific instance to carry the weight of the new player. If the new player ever wants to actually farm at some point, he/she will actually have to make the effort to learn the specific fight. It will also help that player in the long run too.

[NyarukoW]

... for hardcore end-game raiders who want to farm or be done with their weekly clears in the most efficient manner.

"Most efficent manner" is what you wish for, but there is no good reason why SE would want to exclude 99% of the player base for the top 1% to do that. And which hard-core raider does NOT have a proper static fully manned? And which truly top notch group of 7 is afraid of carrying 1 new player? I've seen FCs do this offering free clears because they are just 7 and they have a well earned reputation as good group of people if you are lucky enough to go with them. To them helping the new player is good, and this a way to increase the challenge and difficulty level, as well as opportunity to evaluate and recruit.

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what is stopping new players from creating or joining a learning or progress party to start learning the fight?

What is denying them access to a party that just needs 1 more player? They can help fill out the party and learn at the same time. Again they may think they have progressed past the learning party, and they should have the opportunity to try.

[Gucci_Charms]

What is denying them access to a party that just needs 1 more player? They can help fill out the party and learn at the same time. Again they may think they have progressed past the learning party, and they should have the opportunity to try.

What is denying the 1 new player access is the fact that the specific party does not want to carry him/her when it clearly says it's a farm/previous win party. If the new player wants learn, they can join or create their own learning party. Veteran raiders are not obligated to help new players. What you're asking for is beyond simply learning the instance.

What you want is simply a means for new players to get carried through content with as little effort as possible.

And FYI, 99% of the player base would not be excluded by adding this option. Exaggerate much lol? Proper statics are fully manned by competent and players who put in time and effort. They are not comprised of "I want to be carried" mentality players.

[Alistaire]

It doesn't matter if you've gotten to 1%, you don't have the kill.

I'll devil's advocate this a bit, if/when I'm in a position like that for a fight I'd ask to join a farm party. Titan EX specifically I spent about 20 hours game time being consistently last man standing without any errors in mechanics and probably top or near top in dps, before I got my first win.

Even in that situation though I'm still for OP's suggestion; that's what the "send tell" option in PF is for. And if someone would want to deny me joining their party with that kind of a track record I'd be annoyed at it but whatever; I know some people have been burned by people saying things like "oh I've gotten it to 1%" "I'm always last man standing" "I'd get the win if I had 7 other good people" etc and it's just not the truth.

And some fights the hardest parts are far from the end, but again without proof I've gotten past those hard parts it's a matter of someone believing me when I can't prove what I say. And you should never demand strangers to believe you're as good as you say you are, let alone try to trick them into believing it.

[SkylerStorm]

if/when I'm in a position like that for a fight I'd ask to join a farm party.

Didn't read any further than that, because you're already not the person targeted by this idea. People asking to join because they know the fight and people trying to sneak in while keeping quiet when the questions being as to who hasn't beaten it is very different. In most cases when receiving a tell like that, the leader would more likely than not let you join. As you've effectively already put the pressure on yourself, you've been upfront and said you haven't beaten it yet, but you're capable, so it would become very apparent very soon as to whether that was true or not.

Having the previous clear option ticked would stop you from sneaking in, but wouldn't stop you from asking, which would put it down to the party leader's discretion, exactly as it is now.

Furthermore I won't be commenting anymore as NyurkoW is now flagging my posts that he disagrees with as abuse, and proving his baseless opinions wrong isn't worth getting banned over.

No one here agrees with you, and that is for a reason, because you are wrong. Unfortunately SE will never implement the system suggested here, as too many people like you would boohoo about it on the forums. But the 100 myth will remain, and as long as it does, your free carries are a thing of the past.

Enjoy your game

[Alistaire]

No one here agrees with you, and that is for a reason, because you are wrong. Unfortunately SE will never implement the system suggested here, as too many people like you would boohoo about it on the forums. But the 100 myth will remain, and as long as it does, your free carries are a thing of the past.

Enjoy your game

Like me? Have you read my other posts? I'm all for this idea. I wish I'd come up with it. Like I said, all I was doing was playing devil's advocate on one small point where someone said/implied that if you only got a fight to 1% you weren't as experienced as someone with a win.