Please add clearance condition to Group Finder

[Shougun]

As others have stated quite effectively, it wouldn't signal any huge shift in player behavior.

I'm not sure I could say a huge shift (either I use anecdotal evidence or try to push one psychological study over another) but in that shaky world, the world I see, I would say at least "a" shift would happen, when people realize they can have smoother parties by not letting noobs in by a simple and easy button they will likely leave it up and on more often - even the people who normally wouldn't care to do so (too much work or they would normally feel guilty for not helping other people out).

I don't think it is a good thing when people start to rationalize "entry level job, we should add "requires 4 years experience"". I get that sometimes you don't want or have the time to mess around and I think that making that choice should be the harder one, rather than letting new people join in. I would not call a GM on someone doing it but I -want- the exclusionary mindset to be the harder one, I don't think it should be an easier one for a healthy group.

Humans do what is easy, making it easy to do something easier - I'm sure that has to mean something in the likely hood of becoming a popular button. I don't like the idea of the consequence it will have to at least some degree, plus having completed the fight once doesn't always mean you're very good. I'd like to see better ways to improve player reliability than this, it's probably impossible for those on the opposite side not to imagine me coming across as the fat kid screaming no but.. I really hope this button doesn't exist (and I'm big boned >.<! Height is my key to fool you ).

[TomTom1968]

OP here, amazing what people have posted in my thread, really amazing. While I thought this was just a little request, it is treated like I am planning the end of the Christianity lol.

So some of you guys claim a right to lie and think it is fine like this?

Others see it as a given that other (strangers) should always have enough time to carry whoever joins their group, disregarding anything what’s asked for in the description?

Again others see it as the end for all Newbies because of the mean Elitists that deny them to enter their groups?

When you know a fight in and out and just want it done quickly, do you, unless asked for help from friends or FC members, want to derp around for hours for something you know you get done in less than 10 minutes? For the sake of having helped a Stranger who tricked himself into a farm group without ever having finished the fight?

When I look for a FARM group, yes, I do not want Newbies in it. Really, I don’t. Does that make me a bad person or elitist already? Does it mean I never help? Nope and nope.

There are times for training, times for getting closer to the kill, time to kill and at some stage, a time to farm. I wouldn’t ask for a farm party if I wouldn’t have gone through all these stages before as well and succeeded them. And for those interested in Coil and Ex fights, you know that it doesn’t happen in a single day.

Others like to skip the one or other phase of this progress at the costs of others without frankly asking for help. Instead, they just enter farm parties knowing they are not able to farm which is not OK in my book.

But a lot of people obviously see the right to lie and to enter whatever group is up and running on PF higher than the wish to be able to form a party with people in the same boat you are in. Have no arguments for that because this is quite irrational thinking.

[Amelia_Pond_Behemoth]

I have not cleared most of what's available. I would be locked out from the PF should the checkbox idea be implemented. And you know what, I should be. I haven't learned most of the available fights yet. Quit crying crocodile tears boohooing for those poor newbies who can't deceive others anymore. Those SJW's are probably the ones doing it in the first place and are finally getting called on their BS.

[AdamFyi]

The main reason why I support this feature would be to force players to take the initative and starting their own parties. I see many people complaining about how they can't get their clear for whatever reason, but I see them do nothing other than wait for something to happen. They NEED to take that first step to finally get their clears - and not just moaning about it.

This is from personal experience as I once did the same. Then I realised that I can't do anything until I try. So I did. I formed up my own static and learning/clear parties - calling out to strangers for help. I forged friendships with many players along the way. Now, I'm working on T8 with a static that raids for one to two hours, twice a week.

In short, take the initiative. Don't wait. You'll just be wasting your own time. I believe this feature may be able to provide that first step for many players.

"One day, I'll be farming in the same party with those experienced players. I've just got to try harder."

[MeiUshu]

the day you can run with experienced player that means you too are an experienced player thus making this whole story a mute point...statics are a real pain a constrain, for once I am happy with DF...not sure why people complain all the time..I dont bother with coil people are totally insulting and demeaning and totally childish I stopped at T6 and personalyl will not bother further. I cant be in a static, and I cant find PF, building up I tried a few times I waited for hours at end for nothing that is a waste of time, I prefer to die a million times in a DF then wait hours for nothing.

Mei

[777Myke]

Party Finder already excludes a lot of players, requiring previous completion on content on most of the listings. I don't see SE extending that to Duty Finder anytime soon, if ever. The game already gives you the means to join up with "experienced players." Join a Free Company, Linkshell, or form a static party that focuses on progression. Take down names of other players you come across in-game that have the experience and share the same goals to tackle game content.

[Gucci_Charms]

The trend I'm starting to notice with the people against such a feature are those who are clearly not proactive. If you're going to be reactive and expect other players to do the work for you, you will not get very far in this game or life in general.

There's a reason why the people are able to clear end-game content. They made the effort to learn and wipe for hours till they mastered the fights. I don't see what's stopping new players from the doing the same.

Go network with other new players who are currently in the same boat that want to down similar content. It's not hard. There's also written guides and videos online from various players that outline how to do the fight. However, you still have to make the effort to go into the instance and learn each phase that is outlined in these written guides or videos. By making an effort to learn the content, you will be doing yourself a favor when you want to farm it - since you won't look clueless and get booted from the party.

Joining a party when you have no knowledge of the instance that clearly says FARM PARTY or WEEKLY CLEAR PARTY (PREVIOUS WINNERS ONLY) is just asking to be blacklisted. Keep in mind each time you do this, the number of players who will potentially blacklist or boot you in the future will multiply. It will start off as 7 players, then 14, then 28, etc.

TLDR: Don't rely on other people to hold your hand because you're lazy or don't want to make an effort to learn via LEARNING or PROGRESS PARTIES. Be proactive not reactive son!

[Magis]

Awesome Post

100% this. If you want to learn Coil, taking some damn initiative and start learning parties. How the hell do you think most players figured out coil or started their statics? Originally our group of FC mates were 4/8 so we had to add pugs and create learning groups to figure the fight out for T6 and T7. We failed over and over until we got the damn fight down and cleared it. Now we added some new comers, including people we met while setting up learning/clear parties and have a full group going in most of the time. It just takes initiative.

[Jake7]

I have a really difficult time to pug t7 if I don't exclude the players who have not cleared this turn. I admit people who cleared before may make mistakes as well. But a party without bonus Myth message is more likely to win.

[Cynfael]

NyarukoW, I think I understand where you're coming from as well as the desire not to be excluded from progression, but here's the thing: no one is excluding you from progressing except for you, clearance checkbox or no.

You don't learn fights by crashing groups aiming for quick completion; you start your own learning party, join someone else's learning party, or recruit FC members or other friends to your effort. No one ever mastered mechanics or had very much fun by lying dead on the floor for the entirety of a fight, which is what happens in extreme primals and Second Coil when you try to run with a veteran party and don't know what's going on.

Rather than worrying about elitism etc., focus on the learning part. You simply cannot PUG end-game content with players who haven't cleared and expect any good result. We've all had to learn at some point.