#FFXIVHEALERSTRIKE

[Maltothoris]

Thinking on the pure/healer split it’s always been weird to me that the devs have never acknowledged the other split in healers. That is to say, the fact there’s two ‘raid buff’ healers (AST,SCH) and two ‘personal output’ healers (WHM,SGE)

The thing we have to remember here is that the other selfish for dps had something to try and help keep them above, success not withstanding. Samurai has its big hits and auto crits with a few buffs to help, viper has multiple fast hits with its ogcds, MCH has reassemble with other moves having a shorter cd compared to brd and dnc, BLM has the most multipliers with enochian, maim and mend, and the fire stance. WHM and SGE just have higher hitting moves in regards to their nuke. I think we can expect another buff to their nuke at least if not in 7.2, then most certainly later on.

[Supersnow845]

The selfish healers either need their nukes buffed every patch or they need some kind of internal multiplier that scales with gear creep over the expansion because right now the selfish healers are always behind and square takes hilariously long to even attempt to balance them. AST+SCH is still like 20% ahead of every comp deep in an off patch where people who are good at aligning raid buffs aren’t even playing the tier

Right now the two divisions of healer are just “the good ones” and “the bad ones”. You want to be a raid healer (one point to SCH and AST) and you want to be a shield healer (one point to SCH and SGE) so SCH>AST/SGE>WHM and what do you know that’s exactly how the healer balance of combined contribution to the raid has been since ShB

[Shurrikhan]

AST+SCH is still like 20% ahead of every comp deep in an off patch where people who are good at aligning raid buffs aren’t even playing the tier

20%? Hyperbole? Else, the amount seems pretty fight-varied but never more than ~8% between the top AST-SCH combined rDPS and the next non-AST/SCH comp's.

More generally... there's... only two AST+SCH pairs in the top 20 for Healer Combined rDPS.

The most seen healer among the top 20 for healer combined rDPS... is Sage, in 14 out of the top 20, followed extremely closely by WHM at 13... while AST is only in 7 of the top 20 and SCH only in 6.

Even in 7.05, AST+SCH was only 4 of the top 20 versus, say, 8 WHM-SGE comps.

[Supersnow845]

20%? Hyperbole? Else, the amount seems pretty fight-varied but never more than ~8% between the top AST-SCH combined rDPS and the next non-AST/SCH comp's.

More generally... there's... only two AST+SCH pairs in the top 20 for Healer Combined rDPS.

The most seen healer among the top 20 for healer combined rDPS... is Sage, in 14 out of the top 20, followed extremely closely by WHM at 13... while AST is only in 7 of the top 20 and SCH only in 6.

Even in 7.05, AST+SCH was only 4 of the top 20 versus, say, 8 WHM-SGE comps.

I have no idea how that “all stars” is calculated. When you swap from “all stars” to looking at the top combined healer DPS of each individual fight SCH+AST is all 20 of the top 20 in 1 out of 4 fights and more than 15/20 in the other 3 and in 7.05 was the all the top 20 in every fight. I can only assume the best performers in one specific fight may have not performed terribly well in another so the group that was in the top 50 in all 4 got a higher ranking than someone who got 1st in one fight but didn’t even crack the top 500 in another. But that just shows individual player consistency not the average strength of the job

As for AST+SCH being 20% ahead that was my bad that was from 7.05 where they range from 12% to 22% ahead. It’s closer to 5-10% in 7.1

[Aravell]

The split has been a bizarre design decision from the start. I have no idea why they did it.

The pure/barrier split was very likely created as a distinction to justify their current design of the 4 healers, because the raid finder does pick 1 pure and 1 barrier healer from queue for savage fights, if they didn't do the split, some comps would be near unclearable. Imagine doing M3S in the early weeks and raid finder gave you GNB/DRK/WHM/AST.

That said, the pure/barrier split issues wouldn't even exist if they didn't keep trying to force the healers into the tiny little box with no design freedom allowed.

[Kes13a]

The pure/barrier split was very likely created as a distinction to justify their current design of the 4 healers, because the raid finder does pick 1 pure and 1 barrier healer from queue for savage fights, if they didn't do the split, some comps would be near unclearable. Imagine doing M3S in the early weeks and raid finder gave you GNB/DRK/WHM/AST.

That said, the pure/barrier split issues wouldn't even exist if they didn't keep trying to force the healers into the tiny little box with no design freedom allowed.

well, its the only box they could find that had no air holes

[Dante131]

The pure/barrier split was very likely created as a distinction to justify their current design of the 4 healers, because the raid finder does pick 1 pure and 1 barrier healer from queue for savage fights, if they didn't do the split, some comps would be near unclearable. Imagine doing M3S in the early weeks and raid finder gave you GNB/DRK/WHM/AST.

That said, the pure/barrier split issues wouldn't even exist if they didn't keep trying to force the healers into the tiny little box with no design freedom allowed.

i mean ast was capable to play barrier aswell would be intresting to see macrocosmos in noct stance actually :/ no i am sad and mad

[Rein_eon_Osborne]

The split has always rubbed me the wrong way and felt like an excuse to not give WHM some shields or mitigation and to rip Noct from AST. I'd rather have it so every healer is capable of regens, shields, and raw heals, but in varying capacities. Sure, make WHM the obvious choice for making the HP bar go up fast, but don't have it unable to protect a party from heavy hits. Let SCH be king of shields, but don't make it incapable of dealing with heal-from-1 mechanics.

Yes I know SCH is also practically king of raw heals at the moment, that's another problem that Square has made.

I feel the same way. Lv78 traits on Soil back in ShB, anybody? I had that moment: “Why is this trait exists on a BARRIER Healer??”

As for Noct AST, they could’ve just leave that section entirely intact and it won’t even be an issue today. It’s just an excuse and smokescreen attempt to fool the uninformed that there is an actual dichotomy.

[Dante131]

I feel the same way. Lv78 traits on Soil back in ShB, anybody? I had that moment: “Why is this trait exists on a BARRIER Healer??”

As for Noct AST, they could’ve just leave that section entirely intact and it won’t even be an issue today. It’s just an excuse and smokescreen attempt to fool the uninformed that there is an actual dichotomy.

the sad part is i am more convinced they just didnt want to put in the effort create / balance the stuff for noct stance. But i think it wouldve been cooler to have AST as Hybrid mabe even SGE because why not 1 pure 1 barrier and 2 flexible hybrids would be so cool in my opinion.

[Supersnow845]

the sad part is i am more convinced they just didnt want to put in the effort create / balance the stuff for noct stance. But i think it wouldve been cooler to have AST as Hybrid mabe even SGE because why not 1 pure 1 barrier and 2 flexible hybrids would be so cool in my opinion.

SGE already is a flexi healer

People focus so strongly on the fact that SGE’s GCD’s are shields but beyond that SGE barely has more mitigation than AST (kerechole is up twice as often as CU, holos+panhaima roughly equals neutral sect+sunsign) and is drowning in pure healing

SCH is really the only one that actively weaponises shields but it’s also drowning in free healing, just as WHM is really the only one that feels like a pure healer but its lack of shields acts to its detriment

If you removed pure healing from SCH you could basically right there turn the meta into “anything you want”