Chaotic Alliance Raid: More Content for Professional Gamers

[Jeeqbit]

Is your source "trust me bro"? why should your percentage be believed over Hastatus's?

Because Lucky Bancho and FFXIVCollect stats both reflect the 25% ish rate for Savage.

Gonna be a while to get decent stats on the Chaotic raid. Currently the only stat I can get is 0.062% but it takes a while for everything to update (weeks).

[Eyrilona]

Because Lucky Bancho and FFXIVCollect stats both reflect the 25% ish rate for Savage.

Gonna be a while to get decent stats on the Chaotic raid. Currently the only stat I can get is 0.062% but it takes a while for everything to update (weeks).

Hold on there.... that is population who has done savages including everyone who only has only done savages after they were nerfed / could be unsynced / outgeared. For fairness we should only look at who has cleared the *current* savage tier. Using same source as you, if we ask FFXIVCollect for how many people have the Achievement that comes from clearing M4S, it's only 7.8%. And for clearing it more than once, it drops off too -- the Achievement for clearing M4S 10 times is held by only 3.5%

[Jeeqbit]

For fairness we should only look at who has cleared the *current* savage tier.

That stat is for the current savage tier.

Using same source as you, if we ask FFXIVCollect for how many people have the Achievement that comes from clearing M4S, it's only 7.8%.

My methodology was to divide the number of people with the M4S mount with the number of people with the M4 normal minion. Which resulted in 24.7%.

I didn't look at the achievements, so let's try that with achievements then:

29.8% of people who cleared M4 also cleared M4S.

[AllenThyl]

Hold on there.... that is population who has done savages including everyone who only has only done savages after they were nerfed / could be unsynced / outgeared. For fairness we should only look at who has cleared the *current* savage tier. Using same source as you, if we ask FFXIVCollect for how many people have the Achievement that comes from clearing M4S, it's only 7.8%. And for clearing it more than once, it drops off too -- the Achievement for clearing M4S 10 times is held by only 3.5%

That same source also has 30% as clear rate for the DT main scenario quest achievement. That should be your baseline. People that are still levelling / free trials, don't have access to current high-end duty content and are busy with the story / content of previous expansions anyway.

[Eyrilona]

That stat is for the current savage tier.
My methodology was to divide the number of people with the M4S mount with the number of people with the M4 normal minion. Which resulted in 24.7%.

I didn't look at the achievements, so let's try that with achievements then:

29.8% of people who cleared M4 also cleared M4S.

Looking at the Achievement seems the less indirect way? The ratio of clearing M4 to M4S doesn't say much because then you'd have to correct for the casuals that already consider current extremes a high-end content that they do not engage with, so that number is skewed by the very phenomenon that you're trying to figure out.

That same source also has 30% as clear rate for the DT main scenario quest achievement. That should be your baseline. People that are still levelling / free trials, don't have access to current high-end duty content and are busy with the story / content of previous expansions anyway.

That is a good point, so if it is 7.8% having cleared Savage with only 30% eligible for endgame content, that does change things by a lot. I'd have to look into how those numbers are calculated exactly then, whether that is against total population or against population at endgame. If it is against people registered with FFXIVCollections, then it would introduce a whole new skew which is that only the non-casuals are on that site in the first place.

[Kaurhz]

Looking at the Achievement seems the less indirect way? The ratio of clearing M4 to M4S doesn't say much because then you'd have to correct for the casuals that already consider current extremes a high-end content that they do not engage with, so that number is skewed by the very phenomenon that you're trying to figure out.




That is a good point, so if it is 7.8% having cleared Savage with only 30% eligible for endgame content, that does change things by a lot. I'd have to look into how those numbers are calculated exactly then, whether that is against total population or against population at endgame. If it is against people registered with FFXIVCollections, then it would introduce a whole new skew which is that only the non-casuals are on that site in the first place.

Total number of players tracked according to XIVCollect with Achievement profile as public is 237,403. If you track it based on achievement data then it would be around 71221 people that have completed the Dawntrail story.

There's still 903K characters tracked according to that website, so I don't think it is only non-casuals on there.

[Jeeqbit]

Looking at the Achievement seems the less indirect way?

Yes, that's why I bother to get it. I didn't really notice a way to see that on FFXIVCollect before.

The ratio of clearing M4 to M4S doesn't say much because then you'd have to correct for the casuals that already consider current extremes a high-end content that they do not engage with, so that number is skewed by the very phenomenon that you're trying to figure out.

Nothing needs correcting. It's a pretty good stat because:

• Everyone who cleared the Normal mode is someone who could potentially have tried the Savage version.
• Those who didn't even set foot in the Savage version are at least active enough at the endgame to have done the Normal version. If they didn't, then what are they doing? As everyone says, it's done-in-a-day content so if they're so casual they didn't do it, then they're not worth including in the stats.
• It's not fair to count people who didn't engage with the Normal version, who didn't beat Dawntrail MSQ or who are on the Free Trial, because they can't possibly clear it and including those players is just a way for people to argue it's only a fraction of players clearing. Not really fair to include people who are incapable of it due to not beating MSQ.

If it is against people registered with FFXIVCollections, then it would introduce a whole new skew which is that only the non-casuals are on that site in the first place.

It's people with achievements enabled, for the achievement stat. The mount/minion comparison does not require achievements enabled. Also, Lucky Bancho has similar overall stats which just compare Savage cleared to overall Active Characters (people who are beyond Free Trial status) and it's similar.

Actually, when Lucky Bancho compares Savage vs Normal clears, it's as high as a 50% rate in JP, but dwindles to 30% on Aether.

https://livedoor.blogimg.jp/luckyban...f/bf3752c9.png

(The first % is comparing Savage to Active Characters (>free trial) clears, and the second % is comparing Savage vs Normal clears)

Any way we calculate this it's way higher than 1%, even on Dynamis and Materia.