Quote Originally Posted by TemporalFruitsAndVeggies View Post
I can't believe how normalized we've made putting in eight- to ten-plus-hour days of games like that's perfectly healthy and not something that should only be done once in a great while.
Everyone likes to say how long the gaps between patches are, right? So it is once in a great while.

Quote Originally Posted by cashmoney109 View Post
Spent 5 hours sitting in party finder today and got maybe 20 pulls out of it.
If a fight lasts 10 minutes, the maths says you're only getting 6 pulls per hour. So it is true that you will either spend those hours wiping to the same stuff while you get used to it, or you're there for business to make progress, depending on your comfort level with the fight.

Just got to make sure the rest of the alliance is in the same boat (or has already cleared). That's an issue even with extreme trials. Sometimes you will get a party that is completely hopeless even in the easiest extreme trials (Barb was a good example because it was very easy), while other times a party would just destroy it in one pull (also happened with Barb sometimes). You just have to try different parties each day until one is decent.
If you're not a streamer or already part of a big raiding clique you're just straight up not clearing this in a reasonable amount of time.
If it remains that big of an issue I'm sure discords will pop up for it like with BA and DRS. And those discords are literally there to help you, put good players in important roles (like tanking) and provide guides and callouts that make it simple. They are not a clique.
spending potentially the same amount of time I could finish a full length game doing nothing is not gonna work for me.
That's fair. That has always been a problem with raiding in MMORPGs. It works for some people and not for others.