#FFXIVHEALERSTRIKE

[Lorika]

You're far from being powerless as WHM.

In fact, you can ditch some serious HPS. The main difference with the ASYT is that it as a lot of delayed heal while WHM they are all direct.
The AST shine on the duration while WHM shine by it's straightfowardess and quickness to respond at a unforseen situation.

A good exemple is Alphastice 1.0, when the boss get all the party to 1HP (it's because i did it this WE that this exemple pop up in my mind ). Only the WHM can put back everyone between 75% to full HP in a mere 2 buttons (or 3 if swiftcast is up).

It's a relatively low level exemple but, if you look at the WHM kit, everything is done to enhance it's raw and direct Healing.

To sum up, with AST you must plan when and how to use your healing kit (the same with SCH), whith WHM you react directly to the present situation.

[AmiableApkallu]

I don't feel powerful as WHM. The thing is that I feel even more powerless when playing as AST.

I'd put my own feelings this way:

In terms of dealing damage, I feel AST is less powerful than WHM. The visual and sound effects don't suggest "hard hits", and the N% damage buffs feel like because there's no real feedback to them.

In terms of healing, I feel AST is more powerful than WHM. AST has an answer for almost anything WHM can do, and often still in a single button that's at worst equal and at best strictly better. The only thing WHM does better than AST (and the other healers) is restoring HP right now and on demand — which takes something approaching the 14 minute "all the DPS have perma Brink-of-Death" P7N run I had the pleasure of doing, or maybe the very occasional P10N Harrowing Hell-like mechanic, to really shine.

[Supersnow845]

I don't feel powerful as WHM. The thing is that I feel even more powerless when playing as AST.

For me, AST works better at harder group content. And even for Ultimates, a WHM can dish out sufficient healing. Alas, any healer can do it.



Maybe you're just toxic.

Maybe you just don't know how to play with WHM. Nor even with a WHM as co-healer. And in that case, the waste of party slot is that one you're occupying.



A shield healer that doesn't want to mitigate. Oh, God.

I had my share of non-mitigating shield healer.

Sure it can make HP bars “go up” faster than the other three but when is that ever actually a concern in this game. Not to mention glare 3’s animation is nowhere near as impactful as the stone family.


IDK but u feel completely useless on WHM.

I feel useless as AST. And it's because that class didn't clicked with me. It's too much work to do the same thing I do as a WHM.

And as WHM I can be more useful than you and your alleged "14 years". At least I can adapt to any co-healer.



And that's why YOU are the waste of party slot. Not the poor WHM that's stuck with you.



But WHM is getting clears anyways. Some of top 10 runs on that forbidden site is with WHM. So, maybe those advantages can be kinda overestimated?

I have no idea why you just randomly built this sort of belief around that point that isn’t true. Like I can’t have hurt your feelings about WHM that bad can I

Like I said WHM barely does anything on the mitigation front and you somehow thought that means i don’t mitigate as the shield healer? Or that I don’t know how WHM works and I’m somehow the toxic one? Like why am I the toxic one for not seeing potential in WHM? Just because you think your class is good doesn’t mean I have to think it’s good as a potential partner, that doesn’t make me a bad potential partner Like where did you even make that connection? Or that somehow I’m inflexible as a healer when the problem is simply WHM doesn’t have any tools to functionally bend around because it has no tools that AST doesn’t do better. How am I supposed to bend around “ease of play”. Your ease of play doesn’t change how I approach my job, if anything losing CU and the potential cushion of neutral so you can play an easier class makes MY job as the shield healer harder

WHM isn’t bad enough to be unable to clear, it’s not good enough to be terribly good at it though. As lorika points out it’s ONE singular major advantage is white hole and we haven’t had a white hole mechanic in 7 years

[miraidensetsu]

Just read again your prior responde about how you think WHM is a waste of party slot and will understand why you were toxic.

It's OK you feel underpowered with WHM. But at least you have to assume that it's because your lack of affinity with WHM or because you just don't know how to play it, not because it's a "waste of party slot".

And I don't know you've noticed, but all healers are bad right now. All of them, not just WHM. All healers are underpowered and made futile in most contents. All healers can be switched out for a WAR, PLD, RDM or even MNK depending on the content.

And there IS a reason players who mains any healer, not just WHM, made this strike to begin with. There IS a reason healer mains is angry with S-E.

[Supersnow845]

Just read again your prior responde about how you think WHM is a waste of party slot and will understand why you were toxic.

It's OK you feel underpowered with WHM. But at least you have to assume that it's because your lack of affinity with WHM or because you just don't know how to play it, not because it's a "waste of party slot".

And I don't know you've noticed, but all healers are bad right now. All of them, not just WHM. All healers are underpowered and made futile in most contents. All healers can be switched out for a WAR, PLD, RDM or even MNK depending on the content.

And there IS a reason players who mains any healer, not just WHM, made this strike to begin with. There IS a reason healer mains is angry with S-E.

I said it’s a waste of a party slot because it doesn’t have any sort of niche or advantage the other healers don’t do better in the last 7 years, not because I’m being personally vindictive against WHM, it’s not toxic to say that WHM is in a position where it feels like a waste because every other healer is just out and out better than it. Being easy isn’t a niche because SGE also fits into that and isn’t completely devoid of a use case. This is nothing to do with my personal experiences playing on WHM which I can sum up with it being weak, this isn’t me not knowing how to play WHM, this is WHM not having a gameplay niche the game takes advantage of

You don’t need to preach to me about the nature of the strike, scroll back to page 1, I have a post on there, I’ve been here since day 1, I know the state of healers in the wider game, I’m discussing WHM’s position relative to the other healers, against the wider jobs the only healer that still retains a useful niche is SCH because of its mitigation but SCH having a chokehold on the meta is nothing new

[Lorika]

And people say you're wrong because you clearly don't know or are not confortable with playing WHM.
WHM have the most raw and direct healing power potential of all the healer because : it's the healer with the least Shield and Mit tools.... So it try to compensate this weakness with a better raw healing.... Except this game is designed around shileding and mitigating damages.

It's also the healer with the lowest MP comsumption during heavy healing phase. It can dish the biggest raw and direct healing of all the Healer without using a single MP (Benediction + 2 Tetagramaton + 3 aflatus solace + 2 thin air while being under Asylum + Temperance).

But, nowadays, this raw healing power potential is just useless and wasted, not because of the job being underpowered, it's because of the actual game and job designed around shield/Mit instead of healing.

[Supersnow845]

And people say you're wrong because you clearly don't know or are not confortable with playing WHM.
WHM have the most raw and direct healing power potential of all the healer because : it's the healer with the least Shield and Mit tools.... So it try to compensate this weakness with a better raw healing.... Except this game is designed around shileding and mitigating damages.

It's also the healer with the lowest MP comsumption during heavy healing phase. It can dish the biggest raw and direct healing of all the Healer without using a single MP (Benediction + 2 Tetagramaton + 3 aflatus solace + 2 thin air while being under Asylum + Temperance).

But, nowadays, this raw healing power potential is just useless and wasted, not because of the job being underpowered, it's because of the actual game and job designed around shield/Mit instead of healing.

If a “niche” hasn’t been used in 7 years does it really count as a niche?

Both of you are like “it’s raw heals are so good” “it’s got poor shields because it’s the best at raw healing……….also raw healing is useless since kefka”

I don’t know how else to say that if your claim to good design was you were good at a fight type we haven’t seen since sigmascape it’s not good design

[Lorika]

You really don't want to put an effort to get the point right?

[Supersnow845]

I get your point fine you just don’t really have a point. You have no evidence I don’t know how to play or don’t jive with WHM other than you like it and I don’t so I obviously don’t know how to play it (even though I never accused either of you of not knowing how to play AST when you didn’t jive with it) and the only point you have that it’s not underpowered is it kinda had a niche in kefka style fights which we haven’t had in 7 years

As the game stands right now WHM really doesn’t have a gameplay niche, the fact it doesn’t have a niche makes it feel week in my eyes because whenever I play it all I feel is I could be achieving more on any other healer which is why it feels like a void of a class pick

If a class is badly designed to the modern games need its badly designed, just because it was kinda sorta good 10 years ago is meaningless

[ForsakenRoe]

The issue is more clear if we use solid evidence like potency/MP cost numbers, so let's talk numbers. WHM has Cure3, 600p. But thanks to SE's genius design decisions for DT, Seraphism allows a SCH to, in an emergency, give out 100p of regen per 3sec for its duration, and also throw out EmergencyTactics-Accession, 240p with 180% shield. That's 672p per GCD in total (not including the regen). Additionally, Accession is 1000 900mp per cast, I forgot they changed it, while Cure3 is 1500mp. But, WHM gets 2 charges of Thin Air, so to break even with each other, the two have to each spend 5 total GCDs on their respective action, to end up both spending 4500MP. The other problem, though, is that WHM can ONLY use healing via Cure3. SCH can, if it sees there's a small amount of HP to heal and no barrier applied, elect to not use ET, and instead heal less, but also apply the 180% shield as, well, a shield, reducing overheal and therefore how 'wasteful' the GCD is. Additionally, the SCH has a variety of actions that reduce the incoming damage in the first place, to make it easier to deal with the incoming damage. Effectively, in an emergency, a SCH can simply decide 'I'm the WHM now' and throw out Cure3s, for less MP cost, with higher range, and they're instantcast so even if you have to move it does not affect the SCH like it would the WHM. Yes, it's once per 3min, but it's pretty safe to hold onto Seraphism for an actual emergency, because SCH has so many other actions that it can use to deal with other things.

Every expansion, it feels like SE has taken from WHM and given to other healers. WHM got Benison in SB? Better give AST a version in SHB (Celestial Intersection). WHM has a % increase to healing via Divine Seal? Better take it away in SB, then give it back as Role Action Largesse, then take it away and give it back as Temperance, and also give Neutral Sect to AST, and now Seraphism/Philosophia have a 20% boost attached too. WHM has good MP economy via Thin Air? Now it's only active for one GCD instead of 12s of duration, also, make it so SCH has a MP-free healing GCD cast every 60s if they so choose via Recitation (which also makes their barrier stronger)

The job has throughput, but it lacks a lot of versatility, IMO, when it comes to 'how to deal with X situation'. Just changing Liturgy of the Overheal to be 3 stacks instead of 5, have no early-detonation penalty, and a 90s CD instead of 180, would add an incredible amount of versatility to the job IMO, changing it from a 'once per 3mins, 1000-2000p' tool, to a guaranteed 1200p every time, every 90s if you so choose. That'd give that tool, at least, a niche of its own (versus its competition, Macrocosmos): the niches of 'it's up twice as often', and 'it's not reliant on anything to scale its output, it's consistently 1200p of healing'. Another suggestion would be to mirror SCH/SGE's access to purehealing via Indom/Ixochole, and give WHM a Lily Spender that applies a (weaker than SCH/SGE GCDs) barrier, but SE seems deathly allergic to the idea of giving WHM an on-demand GCD barrier back ever since they removed Stoneskin

The issue, IMO, isn't necessarily 'WHM offers literally nothing', because it clearly does. Simplicity, ease-of-use, it doesn't break my creaky hands if I use it for prog, etc. The issue is 'whatever WHM can do, other healers offer just as much, if not more'. SGE is also simple and easy to use. All three of the other healers (now that AST has been slowed down to a crawl) have low enough APM to not cause physical discomfort over long durations of progression. And because healing (specifically, the 'restore ally HP' part of the healing duties) is binary, 'you either have enough or you don't', the other healers (mainly AST, since it's the other Pure Healer) HAVE to have enough healing to keep up with WHM. So WHM's supposed 'niche' gets encroached on more and more, like someone getting painted into a corner of a room.

Even the latest additions to AST and WHM, Sun Sign and Divine Aura, I'd say Sun Sign is the better of the two and it's really not even close. Because 15% scales with how much damage the enemy is dealing to you, but a flat 400p barrier scales only with your gear, and the 1000p total regen (???) afterwards is... overkill, considering the whole deal with WHM is 'it has strong HPS throughput' apparently. There's a point where the job had 'enough' and the devs should have focused on giving it something else, but they didn't and now its niche is 'it's really good at overhealing'. Personally, I'd rather have had Divine Aura as a separate action from Temperance, so I can stagger their uses more, instead of one being gated behind the other

It can dish the biggest raw and direct healing of all the Healer without using a single MP (Benediction + 2 Tetagramaton + 3 aflatus solace + 2 thin air while being under Asylum + Temperance).

The fact that we have to twist the comparisons with metrics like 'without spending any MP', rather than metrics that actually see use in our gameplay like 'without losing any damage to a non-refunded GCD', shows how weak the WHM's place in the game is. I would love to see SE implement ways to incentivize Pure Healing more as a gameplay element, and leverage the throughput WHM has access to. But this game is designed around mitigation, and since WHM has very little, we have to accept that it's struggling to find a place in the current gameplay design. WHM is not bad. It's just 'not as well suited to the design of the game as the others'. Someone has to be the weakest of the bunch, that's how comparisons work. It's just unfortunate that it keeps ending up being WHM.

I'd like to think there's some hope, though. PLD's sustained damage profile, via Goring Blade DOT, didn't mesh well with the design of the game, leading to it being 'underpowered'. It was like, behind by so little in Abyssos, simple potency adjustments would have sorted the problem out. Crit variance probably contributed more to the problem than the design of the job. But it got reworked in 6.3 to be more burst oriented. So we can see, if a job isn't fitting well with the design of the game, SE reworks it. Unless that job is WHM, in which case, they do not. 'PLD struggles against DOTs', Sheltron is reworked. 'WHM struggles against literally anything that requires raidwide mitigation be applied, because it has only one option for it'? Eh, give it a second mitigation tool, which is tied to, and requires, the use of their only other mitigation tool, it's bizarre

But hey, at least the WHM can dash across the arena? AST can't do that yet, but as we can see from PVP, it's only a matter of time before that particular WHM 'niche cool thing' is also given out to other healers