#FFXIVHEALERSTRIKE

[Supersnow845]

A friend and me were trying to work out 'how much damage could you remove from PCT's Muses, to make 'the damage it gains by painting in downtime' lower, while keeping the overall damage output the same'

I think my maths came out as 'if you have an OGCD that can be used after Star Prism for 1200p, and remove 200p from each Muse (plus Mog and Madeen), it works out as roughly equal overall output' (ofc, raidbuff window means that 1200p is boosted somewhat and the maths gets wonky but I wasn't in the mood to get super-nerdy about a job I don't really care for)

The fact that you could knock 200p off of each of the Muses and they'd STILL be worth painting in full uptime, over a Subtractive Combo, shows how bloated the Muse potencies really are. They have no business being that strong



I think it's more likely at this point for SE to go 'hey SCH has Fey Illumination, and SGE has nothing as an analogue. Also SCH has button bloat issues, so let's delete FI to make the two more comparable. Also, I know we said SCH has button bloat issues, but remember to keep Repose as a button, it's very important. Also keep Summon Faerie as a button to press instead of making it auto-summoned as a passive, it's very important that a SCH who dies in raid has to spend a whole GCD to resummon, as well as losing their MP, their Faerie Gauge and their Aetherflow'

I think that the muses are also a matter of potency perception by the playerbase. I’ve seen many people lose their minds that the subtractive pallet combo is whack because it’s 4 hits in a row of an attack that has an on hit potency rivalling xenoglossy not understanding that the subtractive combo’s PPS is actually very low. I’m assuming the muse potency is partially to compensate for this, the perception of “if this was weaker I wouldn’t “feel” like casting this even if I know it’s a gain” because PCT is one of those rare classes where your perception of its relative PPS really doesn’t line up well with reality

As for SCH I can 100% see them acting like deleting illumination would be an incredible buff for SGE considering it’s the easiest thing to point out as a clear “advantage” SCH has if you have no idea why SCH is actually better and we all know Square has no idea why SCH is better

[Aravell]

As for SCH I can 100% see them acting like deleting illumination would be an incredible buff for SGE considering it’s the easiest thing to point out as a clear “advantage” SCH has if you have no idea why SCH is actually better and we all know Square has no idea why SCH is better

If SE knew how SCH even functions, they wouldn't consistently give SCH tools that completely delete a prior weakness.

SCH dominance continues because the dev team cannot understand why the job is even strong. Recall that they thought the SCH doesn't heal and the WHM was being forced to heal everything.

[Supersnow845]

If SE knew how SCH even functions, they wouldn't consistently give SCH tools that completely delete a prior weakness.

SCH dominance continues because the dev team cannot understand why the job is even strong. Recall that they thought the SCH doesn't heal and the WHM was being forced to heal everything.

SCH lost its one true weakness years ago, we discuss how Seraphism deleted its movement healing weakness and expedient/seraph deleted its “everything has a cost” weakness but really SCH lost its true weakness when we deleted random damage out of encounters

SCH’s weakness always was that it really doesn’t handle random damage and out of pocket situations well. Who would have guessed when everything is planned to end GCD with no variation the healer that benefits the most from everything being planned ends up the strongest

As our queen once said- looks like it’s another 2 years of the chain strategum dictatorship

[Kes13a]

As our queen once said- looks like it’s another 2 years of the chain strategum dictatorship

if only we could rely on it only being two years... I somehow am not able to foresee any good changes coming, I dont think SE has it in them

[Aravell]

SCH’s weakness always was that it really doesn’t handle random damage and out of pocket situations well. Who would have guessed when everything is planned to end GCD with no variation the healer that benefits the most from everything being planned ends up the strongest

Exploiting that weakness requires damage to actually be threatening enough to pressure your resources. SCH's trouble with adapting to suddenly bad situations was due to the limitations of Aetherflow, but with the way they design fights now, even that's no longer much of a weakness.

A lot of the tools we get end up being so vestigial that if we ported SCH directly from HW into the current game, it would have no trouble healing savage. Imagine that, damage is so non-threatening nowadays that a lv60 job from 6 years ago can heal through it.

[Supersnow845]

Exploiting that weakness requires damage to actually be threatening enough to pressure your resources. SCH's trouble with adapting to suddenly bad situations was due to the limitations of Aetherflow, but with the way they design fights now, even that's no longer much of a weakness.

A lot of the tools we get end up being so vestigial that if we ported SCH directly from HW into the current game, it would have no trouble healing savage. Imagine that, damage is so non-threatening nowadays that a lv60 job from 6 years ago can heal through it.

Yeah honestly that was my point

Random damage has to be non trivial to really unseat SCH and right now it simply doesn’t exist

When they removed non trivial random damage that’s really the point that SCH lost its last real weakness

[ForsakenRoe]

Hmm, I wonder how the game would have ended up, if rather than removing Crit Autoattacks from enemies entirely, an additional gameplay element was added where 'if you have a Barrier active on you, you cannot be Crit by an enemy'?

I'm of the opinion that Random Crits weren't necessarily a problem (certainly not to the point where 'they need to be removed entirely'), instead I think it'd have been better to 'give players the tools to work around the game mechanic, so that they feel like they have the answer to the problem'. Awareness's 120s CD didn't cut it, it wasn't up often enough.

Let's say that SB happened, with this change of 'Barriers prevent Crits as long as they hold'. WHM would have gained a niche that expansion via Benison, of being able to negate Crits for 'free' via Divine Benison. Additionally, DRK's TBN existed then, but the Barrier aspect of Raw Intuition/Bloodwhetting did not, giving DRK the only 'on demand Crit negation skill' (unless you count Holmgang at 3min as a 'Crit negator' which, yeh it kinda was). Considering that was the expansion with O3S having a guaranteed Crit as a tankbuster (literally just called Critical Hit), and Shinryu's Tera Slash in the EX, I think the idea of Healers being much more 'in control' of negating Crits could have been a good addition to our gameplay. And since it's not damage, the 'no I want to heal I picked healer to heal not dps' crowd would appreciate its addition

[Connor]

Hmm, I wonder how the game would have ended up, if rather than removing Crit Autoattacks from enemies entirely, an additional gameplay element was added where 'if you have a Barrier active on you, you cannot be Crit by an enemy'?

I'm of the opinion that Random Crits weren't necessarily a problem (certainly not to the point where 'they need to be removed entirely'), instead I think it'd have been better to 'give players the tools to work around the game mechanic, so that they feel like they have the answer to the problem'. Awareness's 120s CD didn't cut it, it wasn't up often enough.

Let's say that SB happened, with this change of 'Barriers prevent Crits as long as they hold'. WHM would have gained a niche that expansion via Benison, of being able to negate Crits for 'free' via Divine Benison. Additionally, DRK's TBN existed then, but the Barrier aspect of Raw Intuition/Bloodwhetting did not, giving DRK the only 'on demand Crit negation skill' (unless you count Holmgang at 3min as a 'Crit negator' which, yeh it kinda was). Considering that was the expansion with O3S having a guaranteed Crit as a tankbuster (literally just called Critical Hit), and Shinryu's Tera Slash in the EX, I think the idea of Healers being much more 'in control' of negating Crits could have been a good addition to our gameplay. And since it's not damage, the 'no I want to heal I picked healer to heal not dps' crowd would appreciate its addition

Just a side thought, but if enemy crits did come back couldn’t that potentially open a whole new path for ‘critical resistance’? I mean, we know it can go down , but having effects on certain abilities that put it up could become an option too. They could even have like a ‘critical hit defense’ substat that’s like an inversion of ‘critical hit rate’. Though maybe that’d run the risk of negating the need for healers if everyone could just stack up materia or whatever to whatever ‘crit resistance’ is recommended for the content. Or, maybe they could just add a role skill that grants a ‘Nullifies the next crit’, like Stoneskin or something.

The only problem I really forsee with it is that Scholar’s Deployment might make it hard for the criticals to be a real threat because of barrier spreading. But then, that’s easily solved by having Deployment only spread the shield effects and not the crit nullification.

[ForsakenRoe]

The only problem I really forsee with it is that Scholar’s Deployment might make it hard for the criticals to be a real threat because of barrier spreading. But then, that’s easily solved by having Deployment only spread the shield effects and not the crit nullification.

Only two things could Crit a party member back then, an autoattack (which should be hitting a Tank), or very specific Physical Tankbusters (which are guaranteed to Crit every time, and should also be hitting a Tank). As such, for a SCH to make the Crits 'not be a real threat via Deployment' would A: require Deployment a lot more often than is available, to cover all the autoattacks, and B: cost a GCD almost every time to apply Adlo/Succor to the Tank. I'd imagine it'd be more a case of 'Oh Tera Slash (guaranteed crit) is coming soon, I'll Adlo the tank in advance because I don't know if they have many CDs left and it's better to be safe than sorry', rather than trying to keep 100% uptime on barriers to completely negate autoattack crits

Also, the game rolled for 'is it a Crit' before 'is it Blocked', even when the Block Rate was 100% (ie with Sheltron), so PLD would be disproportionately screwed by such a system, unless Holy Sheltron was adjusted to give some Barrier instead of 1000p of regen. IDK why Bloodwhetting has 400p of barrier, but Holy Sheltron doesn't. I guess PLD does get Guardian's massive barrier effect though. And DRK gets TBN, and GNB gets (sometimes) Brutal Shell, so maybe this wouldn't actually change anything after all

[BelegErkhten]

Only two things could Crit a party member back then, an autoattack (which should be hitting a Tank), or very specific Physical Tankbusters (which are guaranteed to Crit every time, and should also be hitting a Tank). As such, for a SCH to make the Crits 'not be a real threat via Deployment' would A: require Deployment a lot more often than is available, to cover all the autoattacks, and B: cost a GCD almost every time to apply Adlo/Succor to the Tank. I'd imagine it'd be more a case of 'Oh Tera Slash (guaranteed crit) is coming soon, I'll Adlo the tank in advance because I don't know if they have many CDs left and it's better to be safe than sorry', rather than trying to keep 100% uptime on barriers to completely negate autoattack crits

Also, the game rolled for 'is it a Crit' before 'is it Blocked', even when the Block Rate was 100% (ie with Sheltron), so PLD would be disproportionately screwed by such a system, unless Holy Sheltron was adjusted to give some Barrier instead of 1000p of regen. IDK why Bloodwhetting has 400p of barrier, but Holy Sheltron doesn't. I guess PLD does get Guardian's massive barrier effect though. And DRK gets TBN, and GNB gets (sometimes) Brutal Shell, so maybe this wouldn't actually change anything after all

*Hits Crack pipe* What if we made Clemency apply a Barrier equal to the damage healed? That's probably fair right? Can I have the ability to raise while I am at it. (I am serious about the last part, let Paladin Raise KO'd players, PLEASE. Make it cost all my MP I don't care.)