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  1. #10521
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    Absurdity's Avatar
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    Tiana Vestoria
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    Odin
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    Warrior Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by ForsakenRoe View Post
    Also, they could have at least made Oracle more... distinct in function from the other 'it does big damage' attacks added with DT. Like, I would suggest making it do 12 hits of 70p, one for each of the Twelve (since it uses their symbols in the VFX). That way, it's super-resistant to Crit Variance, as there's 12 individual 'did it Crit' rolls to do. And what if we get a little more creative: The colour of the VFX changes, to mirror your Patron Deity. You picked Halone? Ice Blue Oracle. You picked Oschon? Green Oracle. Rhalgr, Purple Oracle, etc. A nice little way for people to show what they picked for that one, otherwise entirely fluff choice at the start of the game
    But why would they? Literally every other job just got a pointless "finisher" nuke stapled to it in Dawntrail with 100% flash and 0% substance. Not even the golden child that is melee DPS got anything with more thought behind it, obviously AST wouldn't be the exception.
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  2. #10522
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    Supersnow845's Avatar
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    Andreas Cestelle
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    Jenova
    Main Class
    Scholar Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Absurdity View Post
    But why would they? Literally every other job just got a pointless "finisher" nuke stapled to it in Dawntrail with 100% flash and 0% substance. Not even the golden child that is melee DPS got anything with more thought behind it, obviously AST wouldn't be the exception.
    Rainbow drip as a finisher is so good PCT doesn’t feel half as good without it so I guess PCT is an exception but PCT is basically an exception to the game entire crappy job system at this point
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    As a healer main in this game for nigh on 14 years all I can say is that I’m tired. My role has been eroded of complexity and expression for 3 expansions. I’ve watched the tanks do my role for me for 2 expansions and my feedback and critiques continue to fall on deaf ears.

    I have no idea who modern healers are designed for but I know now it’s not me. This is the first expansion I’m truly considering dropping the healer role and not returning, so if that was the goal- congratulations I guess

  3. #10523
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    Aravell's Avatar
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    Limsa Lominsa
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    J'thaldi Rhid
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    Mateus
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    Machinist Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by YarnMage48 View Post
    Frankly I think that Kardia requiring DPS uptime is neat. It requires player skill.
    This would be true if we didn't already spend up to 90% of each fight mashing the Dosis button. They also could really have done more with Kardia rather than making it a 'Regen but it only ticks when I mash my filler button' ability.
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  4. #10524
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    Tint's Avatar
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    Karuru Karu
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    Shiva
    Main Class
    Fisher Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by YarnMage48 View Post
    I'm also tired of Sage being described as a "worse scholar" Kardia is just "Selene but it sucks". Like. We got something unique with that. And what did we do? We complained that its not as "good" as SCH. Frankly I think that Kardia requiring DPS uptime is neat. It requires player skill.
    Kardia requires dps uptime because it does nothing more than mirroring the fairy casting Embrace while the ajoining SCH is dpsing.

    When the SCH stops dpsing and casts heals instead, then the fairy will contine to heal alongside the SCH, that's why the fairy is "better". The healing kit of SCH is spread over himself and the fairy.

    Sage on the other hand doesn't need Kardia to heal alongside himself when he stops dpsing. He does everything Kardia (the fairy) would do by himself.


    Kardia is just a lazy solution to the problem that they never could balance Noct AST and SCH.
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    Last edited by Tint; 02-21-2025 at 10:12 PM.
    It’s a good thing not to answer your enemies. I scarcely ever do. Perhaps Emily is more like me than I am like myself. Perhaps she would rather not answer her friends, even. She keeps it all in her heart.

  5. #10525
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    Molex Moplex
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    Twintania
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    Viper Lv 100
    Man reading this thread, as a healer main, I'm happy SE completely ignore your feedback. You guys would kill the entire role in a single patch.
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  6. #10526
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    Connor's Avatar
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    Connor Whelan
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    Odin
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    Bard Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Molex View Post
    Man reading this thread, as a healer main, I'm happy SE completely ignore your feedback. You guys would kill the entire role in a single patch.


    I just learned how to do this recently lol

    guys it’s beating me!

    Ok nothing to see here just a guy posting a meme with absolutely no difficulty whatsoever…
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    Last edited by Connor; 02-21-2025 at 11:44 PM.

  7. #10527
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    Supersnow845's Avatar
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    Andreas Cestelle
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    Jenova
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    Scholar Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Molex View Post
    Man reading this thread, as a healer main, I'm happy SE completely ignore your feedback. You guys would kill the entire role in a single patch.
    What’s that old quote about not being able to kill something that’s already dead

    (Why am I even replying this person won’t explain their thoughts anyway)
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    As a healer main in this game for nigh on 14 years all I can say is that I’m tired. My role has been eroded of complexity and expression for 3 expansions. I’ve watched the tanks do my role for me for 2 expansions and my feedback and critiques continue to fall on deaf ears.

    I have no idea who modern healers are designed for but I know now it’s not me. This is the first expansion I’m truly considering dropping the healer role and not returning, so if that was the goal- congratulations I guess

  8. #10528
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    Azurarok's Avatar
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    Medim Azurarok
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    Siren
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    Machinist Lv 100
    tbf I have wondered if nuking the trinity might be better for this game's health at this point
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  9. #10529
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    YarnMage48's Avatar
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    Makoto Yumishi
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    Goblin
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    Red Mage Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Supersnow845 View Post
    I would say that the SGE is just a worse SCH argument is arguing in favour of wanting more job diversity simply because SGE really doesn’t actually do anything better than SCH

    Complaining that two classes are functionally identical but one is just better on pretty much every front I think is a perfectly valid complaint to have against the position of SGE in terms of its identity
    But why do you think that Scholar is better? They have similarities but they play very differently.
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  10. #10530
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    CaptainLagbeard's Avatar
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    Rhaya Jakkya
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    Odin
    Main Class
    White Mage Lv 100
    SCH has Chain Stratagem and Energy Drain, it's probably the best designed healer currently in the game as it has both a buff and will always be able to use their Job Gauge.
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