#FFXIVHEALERSTRIKE

[Azurarok]

It’ll never not be funny to me knowing that each of WHM’s Glare cast has about the same effective potency as WAR’s Fell Cleave in those times.

This sounds weirdly similar to what I said of RDM/SMN's balancing in EW. Dumbing it down in ShB made healer dps seem too easy to do compared to tanks, so instead of returning the damaging tools they just lowered healer damage output.

[miraidensetsu]

I genuinely have no idea how people feel any sort of power in WHM

I don't feel powerful as WHM. The thing is that I feel even more powerless when playing as AST.

For me, AST works better at harder group content. And even for Ultimates, a WHM can dish out sufficient healing. Alas, any healer can do it.

Maybe it’s just because I’ve been a shield healer main for longer than 14 had been around but WHM feels like the biggest waste of a party slot.

Maybe you're just toxic.

Maybe you just don't know how to play with WHM. Nor even with a WHM as co-healer. And in that case, the waste of party slot is that one you're occupying.

It just doesn’t DO anything. Any meaningful heal check in this game is a mit check and WHM provides less mit than PCT or MCH let alone the other healers.

A shield healer that doesn't want to mitigate. Oh, God.

I had my share of non-mitigating shield healer.

Sure it can make HP bars “go up” faster than the other three but when is that ever actually a concern in this game. Not to mention glare 3’s animation is nowhere near as impactful as the stone family.

[QUOTE=Supersnow845;6643681]IDK but u feel completely useless on WHM.

I feel useless as AST. And it's because that class didn't clicked with me. It's too much work to do the same thing I do as a WHM.

And as WHM I can be more useful than you and your alleged "14 years". At least I can adapt to any co-healer.

I just have to stand around doing near nothing and hoping the other party members will keep me alive so then I can throw out some pointless heals the other healers could do just as easily as me despite it being my “niche”

And that's why YOU are the waste of party slot. Not the poor WHM that's stuck with you.

Like it feels terrible having no advantage

But WHM is getting clears anyways. Some of top 10 runs on that forbidden site is with WHM. So, maybe those advantages can be kinda overestimated?

[Lorika]

You're far from being powerless as WHM.

In fact, you can ditch some serious HPS. The main difference with the ASYT is that it as a lot of delayed heal while WHM they are all direct.
The AST shine on the duration while WHM shine by it's straightfowardess and quickness to respond at a unforseen situation.

A good exemple is Alphastice 1.0, when the boss get all the party to 1HP (it's because i did it this WE that this exemple pop up in my mind ). Only the WHM can put back everyone between 75% to full HP in a mere 2 buttons (or 3 if swiftcast is up).

It's a relatively low level exemple but, if you look at the WHM kit, everything is done to enhance it's raw and direct Healing.

To sum up, with AST you must plan when and how to use your healing kit (the same with SCH), whith WHM you react directly to the present situation.

[AmiableApkallu]

I don't feel powerful as WHM. The thing is that I feel even more powerless when playing as AST.

I'd put my own feelings this way:

In terms of dealing damage, I feel AST is less powerful than WHM. The visual and sound effects don't suggest "hard hits", and the N% damage buffs feel like because there's no real feedback to them.

In terms of healing, I feel AST is more powerful than WHM. AST has an answer for almost anything WHM can do, and often still in a single button that's at worst equal and at best strictly better. The only thing WHM does better than AST (and the other healers) is restoring HP right now and on demand — which takes something approaching the 14 minute "all the DPS have perma Brink-of-Death" P7N run I had the pleasure of doing, or maybe the very occasional P10N Harrowing Hell-like mechanic, to really shine.

[Supersnow845]

I don't feel powerful as WHM. The thing is that I feel even more powerless when playing as AST.

For me, AST works better at harder group content. And even for Ultimates, a WHM can dish out sufficient healing. Alas, any healer can do it.



Maybe you're just toxic.

Maybe you just don't know how to play with WHM. Nor even with a WHM as co-healer. And in that case, the waste of party slot is that one you're occupying.



A shield healer that doesn't want to mitigate. Oh, God.

I had my share of non-mitigating shield healer.

Sure it can make HP bars “go up” faster than the other three but when is that ever actually a concern in this game. Not to mention glare 3’s animation is nowhere near as impactful as the stone family.


IDK but u feel completely useless on WHM.

I feel useless as AST. And it's because that class didn't clicked with me. It's too much work to do the same thing I do as a WHM.

And as WHM I can be more useful than you and your alleged "14 years". At least I can adapt to any co-healer.



And that's why YOU are the waste of party slot. Not the poor WHM that's stuck with you.



But WHM is getting clears anyways. Some of top 10 runs on that forbidden site is with WHM. So, maybe those advantages can be kinda overestimated?

I have no idea why you just randomly built this sort of belief around that point that isn’t true. Like I can’t have hurt your feelings about WHM that bad can I

Like I said WHM barely does anything on the mitigation front and you somehow thought that means i don’t mitigate as the shield healer? Or that I don’t know how WHM works and I’m somehow the toxic one? Like why am I the toxic one for not seeing potential in WHM? Just because you think your class is good doesn’t mean I have to think it’s good as a potential partner, that doesn’t make me a bad potential partner Like where did you even make that connection? Or that somehow I’m inflexible as a healer when the problem is simply WHM doesn’t have any tools to functionally bend around because it has no tools that AST doesn’t do better. How am I supposed to bend around “ease of play”. Your ease of play doesn’t change how I approach my job, if anything losing CU and the potential cushion of neutral so you can play an easier class makes MY job as the shield healer harder

WHM isn’t bad enough to be unable to clear, it’s not good enough to be terribly good at it though. As lorika points out it’s ONE singular major advantage is white hole and we haven’t had a white hole mechanic in 7 years

[miraidensetsu]

Just read again your prior responde about how you think WHM is a waste of party slot and will understand why you were toxic.

It's OK you feel underpowered with WHM. But at least you have to assume that it's because your lack of affinity with WHM or because you just don't know how to play it, not because it's a "waste of party slot".

And I don't know you've noticed, but all healers are bad right now. All of them, not just WHM. All healers are underpowered and made futile in most contents. All healers can be switched out for a WAR, PLD, RDM or even MNK depending on the content.

And there IS a reason players who mains any healer, not just WHM, made this strike to begin with. There IS a reason healer mains is angry with S-E.

[Supersnow845]

Just read again your prior responde about how you think WHM is a waste of party slot and will understand why you were toxic.

It's OK you feel underpowered with WHM. But at least you have to assume that it's because your lack of affinity with WHM or because you just don't know how to play it, not because it's a "waste of party slot".

And I don't know you've noticed, but all healers are bad right now. All of them, not just WHM. All healers are underpowered and made futile in most contents. All healers can be switched out for a WAR, PLD, RDM or even MNK depending on the content.

And there IS a reason players who mains any healer, not just WHM, made this strike to begin with. There IS a reason healer mains is angry with S-E.

I said it’s a waste of a party slot because it doesn’t have any sort of niche or advantage the other healers don’t do better in the last 7 years, not because I’m being personally vindictive against WHM, it’s not toxic to say that WHM is in a position where it feels like a waste because every other healer is just out and out better than it. Being easy isn’t a niche because SGE also fits into that and isn’t completely devoid of a use case. This is nothing to do with my personal experiences playing on WHM which I can sum up with it being weak, this isn’t me not knowing how to play WHM, this is WHM not having a gameplay niche the game takes advantage of

You don’t need to preach to me about the nature of the strike, scroll back to page 1, I have a post on there, I’ve been here since day 1, I know the state of healers in the wider game, I’m discussing WHM’s position relative to the other healers, against the wider jobs the only healer that still retains a useful niche is SCH because of its mitigation but SCH having a chokehold on the meta is nothing new

[Lorika]

And people say you're wrong because you clearly don't know or are not confortable with playing WHM.
WHM have the most raw and direct healing power potential of all the healer because : it's the healer with the least Shield and Mit tools.... So it try to compensate this weakness with a better raw healing.... Except this game is designed around shileding and mitigating damages.

It's also the healer with the lowest MP comsumption during heavy healing phase. It can dish the biggest raw and direct healing of all the Healer without using a single MP (Benediction + 2 Tetagramaton + 3 aflatus solace + 2 thin air while being under Asylum + Temperance).

But, nowadays, this raw healing power potential is just useless and wasted, not because of the job being underpowered, it's because of the actual game and job designed around shield/Mit instead of healing.

[Supersnow845]

And people say you're wrong because you clearly don't know or are not confortable with playing WHM.
WHM have the most raw and direct healing power potential of all the healer because : it's the healer with the least Shield and Mit tools.... So it try to compensate this weakness with a better raw healing.... Except this game is designed around shileding and mitigating damages.

It's also the healer with the lowest MP comsumption during heavy healing phase. It can dish the biggest raw and direct healing of all the Healer without using a single MP (Benediction + 2 Tetagramaton + 3 aflatus solace + 2 thin air while being under Asylum + Temperance).

But, nowadays, this raw healing power potential is just useless and wasted, not because of the job being underpowered, it's because of the actual game and job designed around shield/Mit instead of healing.

If a “niche” hasn’t been used in 7 years does it really count as a niche?

Both of you are like “it’s raw heals are so good” “it’s got poor shields because it’s the best at raw healing……….also raw healing is useless since kefka”

I don’t know how else to say that if your claim to good design was you were good at a fight type we haven’t seen since sigmascape it’s not good design

[Lorika]

You really don't want to put an effort to get the point right?