#FFXIVHEALERSTRIKE

[Tigore]

@ Aravell

It seems like we are entering a full cycle of an argument again mentioned before earlier. We do have a few new players who have joined our side here, but it's kind of breaking even now. Other players and probably the executives point out that the queue times are still the same. We retort that the players noticed lower healing quality in the runs they were in since we dropped out. The executives retort that the dungeons are still running and chuckle that we've been replaced. It may not be a loss for the strike, but it's still a stalemate at best. Some of the corporate do not know how the product works, do not care or perhaps both. They might only look at factors that they believe makes money for them. As long as anyone fills the roles, the numbers still show up with reasonable queue times for everyone from their end.

I am not trying to be mean about what is happening. After such a long time, I am trying to be realistic about what is going on. We've been trying a lot of the same thing and expecting different results for quite a while. The boycott on queuing was a least one thing different to try out. We are kind of getting a sign that it's still not enough to bring it to our favor. Since the other players do notice when the dungeon runs change in quality, that was why I had some thoughts if we should play the classes that we believe to be contributing to the problem to prove with action we are not bluffing. That way, it might hopefully hasten the process of new healers noticing they are relatively vestigial to the group and drop out faster to see queue times slowly rise. In other words, more people join the cause by voting with their wallet.

I have been noticing Square has been more active with putting up their game ads in even Facebook, so they seem to be counting on the new players replacing the ranks. Since the free trial lasts up to Stormblood, we will still be able to partially showcase what Raw Intuition and Clemency can do before they even spend a dime.

[miraidensetsu]

SCH certainly has it's perks, I'm no good at it though and in my experience it's easier to transition from WHM to AST, really though play whatever healer you enjoy most, even if it's WAR.

I tried to do the transition and... I hate it.

I had to do 2 or 3 times more work to do what I already do with WHM. It's very clunky, the card system is boring and have no decision making anymore, it plays pretty bad on joystick, it's attack potencies is pitiful (remembering that I use WHM for everything, specially to solo, not just to do selected hard multiplayer content) and hits like wet noodle (even with same equips).

The only upside I see is it's buffs. But even those don't change the fact that AST feels weaker than WHM, gives more trouble for essentially same thing I solve with 1 or 2 buttons with WHM. I feel I am more useful to the party playing as WHM.

As SCH, however, I feel it hitting as hard as WHM. Potencies wise. It's clunky as well, but it is on a bearable level. And its shields is something that really makes the difference when soloing. Lost the count of how many times critlo saved my sorry arse from a tankbuster.

I feel that I just need to understand better the late kit and build confidence to make the switch.

[Azurarok]

I would like they remember it only for removing the Raise Taxe (and onlye the Taxe, don't remove the raise).... Because, for years now, RDM is only the "insurance" job while the Ilvl is a bit too low to clear safely a Raid.
When it's not the case anymore, the RDM is ditched for a job with a better DPS.

I mean, we go to Melee range for our Burst, we take risk but we are not rewarded for it DPS Wise and, if the boss enter a Melee Downtime, we are stuck with a capped gauge....

Rez tax is really weird to me. The way I see it, before EW RDM was the easiest caster to play and thus had lower dps, and the utility was there to make up for that. Then EW reworked SMN to be the easiest caster, but they still balanced it like it used to and had it stronger than RDM for the better part of the expac, and rez tax seemed more like an their excuse for their poor balancing.

The current order of BLM > PCT > RDM > SMN in full uptime seems right to me, though RDM probably should be closer to BLM/PCT going by how PCT and BLM are now (SMN kinda belongs down there).

[Alice_Rivers]

I tried to do the transition and... I hate it.

I had to do 2 or 3 times more work to do what I already do with WHM. It's very clunky, the card system is boring and have no decision making anymore, it plays pretty bad on joystick, it's attack potencies is pitiful (remembering that I use WHM for everything, specially to solo, not just to do selected hard multiplayer content) and hits like wet noodle (even with same equips).

The only upside I see is it's buffs. But even those don't change the fact that AST feels weaker than WHM, gives more trouble for essentially same thing I solve with 1 or 2 buttons with WHM. I feel I am more useful to the party playing as WHM.

Yeah I had the same power issues with AST when I approached it from WHM in EW and again after DT came out, WHM main things, back in EW it also severely punished all my WHM bad habits. I stuck with it though, learned to heal earlier, plan further, all that lovely stuff and the DT cards while less random do afford me a level of flexibility I wish WHM had - Yes WHM can drop a regen, a mit and a shield on someone in one GCD just the same as AST can but AST gives me that multiple times in multiple ways.

Anyway, back on point, WHM has so much raw power on tap and I love it (I really do) and there's a degree of satisfaction in that, AST's satisfaction comes in a feeling of absolute battlefield control when you do it right, similar to SCH in my experience. When I do both right they feel just as good as WHM.

As SCH, however, I feel it hitting as hard as WHM. Potencies wise. It's clunky as well, but it is on a bearable level. And its shields is something that really makes the difference when soloing. Lost the count of how many times critlo saved my sorry arse from a tankbuster.

I feel that I just need to understand better the late kit and build confidence to make the switch.

I'm glad you get along better than I do with SCH, I see people like Supersnow touting it as being insanely powerful but I've never really experienced that first hand, it might just be my failing - SCH never really clicks with me the way WHM does.

[TheDustyOne]

It's more a blessing the job hasn't been caught up in their reworks imo. I love how it feels and I don't trust them being able to retain that feel if they try anything too new with it.

Shhhh, don't let Square know we're still having fun with RDM, they'll take a sledgehammer to it by 7.3 if they suspect enjoyment.

Admittedly, RDM is one of the few jobs I feel that has legitimately improved each expansion. At worst the change to Manafication can be seen as a dumbing down, but you can still potentially overcap if you use it at 82+ mana.

[Tigore]

I found the SCH was still able to heal alright when I was levelling the class from 91 - 100. I may not agree with the lore of Dissipation making the fairy "go away", but it does pair extremely well with Recitation to make a mega critical Adloquium shield. Expedient also works pretty well if the mega shield is still not enough, although I haven't really needed to use this third cooldown since the tanks are pretty sturdy at the high levels. With how the class plays, we basically have to memorize which cooldowns use the fairy and which ones "don't need her". Attempting to mix the 2 cooldown sets together may not produce good results.

As for the AST, their cooldowns more require patience waiting for the Earthly Star and Macrocosmos to build up to their maximum values. Even though the cards have a lot less RNG, the healing cooldowns still need more pre-emptive planning to make the most out of them.

[TheDustyOne]

I know I've been doing my part by tossing out more heals as RDM and SMN than usual, and while I only rarely catch gruff from a healer for it, I just tell them "working as intended" and keep going at it because it's true, that even a caster with low heal potency can do most of their job for a lot of normal content from Realm Reborn to Stormblood. (Maybe it gets better for them in Shadowbringers and beyond? Who knows, they may not play that far as a healer, can't imagine why~.)

Since being polite about the strike didn't work, it's time to play dirty, or at least I'm more than willing to do so despite having never been a disparaged healer main to begin with so it's not like I'm "associated" with the pro-strikers, I'm just a DPS main pushing an extra button so the healer can hit 1 again to make up for the "DPS loss". And if it gets common enough and bad enough that RDM and SMN get their healing and raises taken away? Oh well.

To be fair, SMN Physick is a waste of a GCD past level 50. It scales off of Mind, not Intelligence, so casting gear won't increase its potency and you're effectively healing someone with the power of a level 20 conjurer at best.

Their other heals, and RDM Vercure, at least work, so if you get flack for using those in emergencies, you're only using the tools available to salvage a run.

[Supersnow845]

I genuinely have no idea how people feel any sort of power in WHM

Maybe it’s just because I’ve been a shield healer main for longer than 14 had been around but WHM feels like the biggest waste of a party slot. It just doesn’t DO anything. Any meaningful heal check in this game is a mit check and WHM provides less mit than PCT or MCH let alone the other healers. Sure it can make HP bars “go up” faster than the other three but when is that ever actually a concern in this game. Not to mention glare 3’s animation is nowhere near as impactful as the stone family.

IDK but u feel completely useless on WHM. I just have to stand around doing near nothing and hoping the other party members will keep me alive so then I can throw out some pointless heals the other healers could do just as easily as me despite it being my “niche”

Like it feels terrible having no advantage

[Rein_eon_Osborne]

The only advantage of today’s WHM that I could think of is only extensive amount of free raises they can pull off vs other 3 healers. Well and I guess “panic Cure III”. Damage done used to be a somewhat valid reason to pick up WHM at some point in ShB (CMIIW here)—they even outdpses tanks in those times. Today? Also taken away.

[Azurarok]

Meanwhile Astro has better mp economy and lightspeed to do speed raises. Panic CureIII feels nice when it's needed and works out but that's a very specific and bad situation.


But hey you actually have GCDs to use