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  1. #10001
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    Tigore's Avatar
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    Tigore Collson
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    Ultros
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    White Mage Lv 100
    I found the SCH was still able to heal alright when I was levelling the class from 91 - 100. I may not agree with the lore of Dissipation making the fairy "go away", but it does pair extremely well with Recitation to make a mega critical Adloquium shield. Expedient also works pretty well if the mega shield is still not enough, although I haven't really needed to use this third cooldown since the tanks are pretty sturdy at the high levels. With how the class plays, we basically have to memorize which cooldowns use the fairy and which ones "don't need her". Attempting to mix the 2 cooldown sets together may not produce good results.

    As for the AST, their cooldowns more require patience waiting for the Earthly Star and Macrocosmos to build up to their maximum values. Even though the cards have a lot less RNG, the healing cooldowns still need more pre-emptive planning to make the most out of them.
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  2. #10002
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    TheDustyOne's Avatar
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    Dusty Two
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    Behemoth
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    Red Mage Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Aidorouge View Post
    I know I've been doing my part by tossing out more heals as RDM and SMN than usual, and while I only rarely catch gruff from a healer for it, I just tell them "working as intended" and keep going at it because it's true, that even a caster with low heal potency can do most of their job for a lot of normal content from Realm Reborn to Stormblood. (Maybe it gets better for them in Shadowbringers and beyond? Who knows, they may not play that far as a healer, can't imagine why~.)

    Since being polite about the strike didn't work, it's time to play dirty, or at least I'm more than willing to do so despite having never been a disparaged healer main to begin with so it's not like I'm "associated" with the pro-strikers, I'm just a DPS main pushing an extra button so the healer can hit 1 again to make up for the "DPS loss". And if it gets common enough and bad enough that RDM and SMN get their healing and raises taken away? Oh well.
    To be fair, SMN Physick is a waste of a GCD past level 50. It scales off of Mind, not Intelligence, so casting gear won't increase its potency and you're effectively healing someone with the power of a level 20 conjurer at best.

    Their other heals, and RDM Vercure, at least work, so if you get flack for using those in emergencies, you're only using the tools available to salvage a run.
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  3. #10003
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    Supersnow845's Avatar
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    Andreas Cestelle
    World
    Jenova
    Main Class
    Scholar Lv 100
    I genuinely have no idea how people feel any sort of power in WHM

    Maybe it’s just because I’ve been a shield healer main for longer than 14 had been around but WHM feels like the biggest waste of a party slot. It just doesn’t DO anything. Any meaningful heal check in this game is a mit check and WHM provides less mit than PCT or MCH let alone the other healers. Sure it can make HP bars “go up” faster than the other three but when is that ever actually a concern in this game. Not to mention glare 3’s animation is nowhere near as impactful as the stone family.

    IDK but u feel completely useless on WHM. I just have to stand around doing near nothing and hoping the other party members will keep me alive so then I can throw out some pointless heals the other healers could do just as easily as me despite it being my “niche”

    Like it feels terrible having no advantage
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  4. #10004
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    Rein_eon_Osborne's Avatar
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    Mira Clearweaver
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    Jenova
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    Conjurer Lv 90
    The only advantage of today’s WHM that I could think of is only extensive amount of free raises they can pull off vs other 3 healers. Well and I guess “panic Cure III”. Damage done used to be a somewhat valid reason to pick up WHM at some point in ShB (CMIIW here)—they even outdpses tanks in those times. Today? Also taken away.
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  5. #10005
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    Medim Azurarok
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    Siren
    Main Class
    Machinist Lv 100
    Meanwhile Astro has better mp economy and lightspeed to do speed raises. Panic CureIII feels nice when it's needed and works out but that's a very specific and bad situation.


    But hey you actually have GCDs to use
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  6. #10006
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    Supersnow845's Avatar
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    Andreas Cestelle
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    Scholar Lv 100
    Even cure 3 barely counts as a niche anymore

    Neutral aspected Helios and Seraphism ET accession are both stronger than it (neutral assuming the shield cracks between GCD’s)

    Like when do you ever need more cure 3’s than can be covered by the duration of neutral sect or seraphism (both of which provide mitigation as well since they provide shields that propagate faster as well as their healing and sun sign)
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  7. #10007
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    Kaeline Artelus
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    Phantom
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    Gunbreaker Lv 74
    Quote Originally Posted by Supersnow845 View Post
    Like it feels terrible having no advantage
    Oh there is : You can dish enough healing power without the need to press 40 button before pressing a heal button.
    It also the Healer with the most MP free heal and the one with the most useless ressource (you use all your other heal button before using a Lilly)..... Your MP mostly goes into Glare Spam.

    To sum up, the advange of the WHM it's being simple and straightforward.

    Ah also, it's not being a SGE, which it's really the one without advantage at all (what a SGE can do, all the others can do it better)
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  8. #10008
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lorika View Post
    Oh there is : You can dish enough healing power without the need to press 40 button before pressing a heal button.
    It also the Healer with the most MP free heal and the one with the most useless ressource (you use all your other heal button before using a Lilly)..... Your MP mostly goes into Glare Spam.

    To sum up, the advange of the WHM it's being simple and straightforward.

    Ah also, it's not being a SGE, which it's really the one without advantage at all (what a SGE can do, all the others can do it better)
    “Enough healing power” is doing a lot of heavy lifting here when it’s healing is near redundant because everything is a mit check and pressing 40 buttons for 4* the advantage is pretty much a null point when healing is so infrequent
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    As a healer main in this game for nigh on 14 years all I can say is that I’m tired. My role has been eroded of complexity and expression for 3 expansions. I’ve watched the tanks do my role for me for 2 expansions and my feedback and critiques continue to fall on deaf ears.

    I have no idea who modern healers are designed for but I know now it’s not me. This is the first expansion I’m truly considering dropping the healer role and not returning, so if that was the goal- congratulations I guess

  9. #10009
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    J'thaldi Rhid
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    Mateus
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    Machinist Lv 100
    Personally, the advantage of WHM for me is that it's straightforward enough that it's easy to play for the long hours of ultimate prog or week 1 savage prog without causing finger pains.

    I've played AST for hours in savage prog before and it just gets really painful after a while, although AST was slowed down in DT, so maybe even that advantage of WHM has been taken away.
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  10. #10010
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    Medim Azurarok
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    Siren
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    Machinist Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Rein_eon_Osborne View Post
    Damage done used to be a somewhat valid reason to pick up WHM at some point in ShB (CMIIW here)—they even outdpses tanks in those times. Today? Also taken away.
    So I uh... was not aware of this until now since I was too new to even think about parses and whatnot back then.

    They removed the one reason why healers were still worth having over tanks even if their healing became less necessary from gearing and such, while simultaneously making their healing become less necessary faster by both increasing mitigation on dps and healing on tanks

    Maybe they really do want to get rid of the role
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