7.1 Dragoon Changes Complaints

[Heaven_Sent]

I find this change genuinely so hard to understand, part of what made Dragoon fun and unique was that it had so many buttons to press. Limiting Nastrond to a single use per Geirskogul doesn't enhance the job's game play in any way, it just makes it more simplistic and less fun. Dragoon being as good as it was in 6.0 was one of the main reasons I played the game. The job was fun then, it was fun in 7.0, although I think the changes made to the job in 7.0 were also unnecessary. But these changes to Nastrond are a definite step in the wrong direction and make me want to not play the job at all. I really hope that this change is reversed as soon as possible, and we get 3 charges back. As others on this forum have said, a potency buff does NOT make up for a loss in button presses that make the job actively fun.

[CidHeiral]

I think you missed the sheer number of replies to this thread that start with "I don't normally post on the forums" or even "I made a forum account specifically to express my concerns about this." People are coming from other places to make their voices heard, because the forums are the one place the devs actually look at feedback.

HikariKurosawa is a known forum troll. He had to have basic concepts of DRG explained to him in a previous thread where he was running his mouth about things he didn't understand. Just ignore him.

[didykist]

You know when you unsub it gives you a prompt to explain why you're unsubbing right? Who are they going to consider, people who remain subbed while giving kneejerk reactions on the forums, or people who unsub and explain why they are unhappy with the game in the space provided to voice your reasoning for unsubbing?

I almost guarantee none of the people complaining in this thread are going to unsub from the game as a result of these changes. You'll throw a little fit, adapt, and realize that the devs actually know what they are doing and it is better this way.

I literally cancelled my sub as soon as I found out about the change. I'm able to keep posting because I did have a 180 day renewing sub ongoing, and happen to have a fair bit left. But have I logged in since Tuesday maintenance? Nope.
And the prompt for why you're quitting is laughable, they don't give an 'Other' option with text box to leave a detailed response as to why you're quitting. The closest you can get it 'I am no longer interested in playing'.
I won't even consider resubbing unless they start reverting this change and a plethora of others that are taking jobs, not just DRG but all of them frankly, down this road of them becoming the same 1-2-3 with different animations and 3 oGCD's to press in their designated two minute window. Homogenisation and oversimplification is killing this game.
I and a lot of others I'm sure have faith in the Devs in most areas, but clearly job design isn't one of them.

[HighImpact]

Posting for the first time to agree here. It's just notably less fun to execute burst with this change, and it should be rolled back.

A lot of the enjoyment I got out of DRG came from balancing the busy burst with fight mechanics. It may not be my main job, but the busyness along with the extra wrinkle that came from fights like DSR, needing to frantically weave and retarget to aim all of the cleaves, made coming to grips with it genuinely some of the most fun I've had playing XIV.

Much as I want to be optimistic about what they're going to cook up with the job reworks down the line, it shouldn't need to have its kit pared down so long before they plan to add anything new. I'd rather keep it as it was pre 7.1 and be excited about how they'll shake things up in 8.0 than dread each patch taking away something I value from the job as it currently is.

[HikariKurosawa]

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That's fine and all but it's not your game, it's the dev's game. You're free to make your own mmo that has annoyingly complex and busy rotations. That's not what sells though.

Most of these decisions are made in mind with catering to the majority because that's how you make financially successful games. The stockholders wouldn't allow changes to be implemented if they weren't going to increase the financial success of the game.

This is capitalism and it's good, because it is a system where the majority rule. Maximizing how many people are happy with the game design should always be the goal, who cares if a minority of people are unhappy because they lost the complexity they desire. Most people don't desire that. Create your own game.

[VerySadDRG]

That's not what sells though.

Ah, the good old "but it makes money" argument, used when you have nothing else to say. Tell me this then, how exactly did Square made money in ShB and EW, when DRG had, y'know, actual job mechanics and was FUN to play?

[HikariKurosawa]

Ah, the good old "but it makes money" argument, used when you have nothing else to say. Tell me this then, how exactly did Square made money in ShB and EW, when DRG had, y'know, actual job mechanics and was FUN to play?

They made less money than they do now.

[VerySadDRG]

They made less money than they do now.

So all of those money are made just because of DRG changes? Really doubt that. Also wonder how much Square is making thanks to BLM rn, but I guess its sorry state is also what "capitalism" wants.

And looking at what people say in this thread, they are about to lose some customers, lmao.
But go on, encourage bad job design with "muh capitalism" logic, at least it is hilarious to read.

[HeavenlyArmed]

Anyway, considering he just made the claim that stockholders greenlight dev decisions, I think we're all safe to ignore the troll and get back to the important discussion of wanting classes that are actually engaging to play. Particularly concerning about the troll's commentary was the total refusal to acknowledge the state of lower level DRG. Which again, you run out of buttons to press for your burst after 3 GCDs at level 70, 4 at level 80 and 5 at level 90, and you aren't even spamming double-weaves to achieve this. Anyone who says that is too much for them isn't giving you a serious opinion.

[HikariKurosawa]

"I don't like what they are saying because it goes against what I want so they're a troll"

Lower level dragoon is a separate issue and has nothing to do with high level dragoon.