Thread: 7.1 Dragoon Changes Complaints

Originally Posted by HikariKurosawa

They made less money than they do now.

So all of those money are made just because of DRG changes? Really doubt that. Also wonder how much Square is making thanks to BLM rn, but I guess its sorry state is also what "capitalism" wants.

And looking at what people say in this thread, they are about to lose some customers, lmao.
But go on, encourage bad job design with "muh capitalism" logic, at least it is hilarious to read.

Anyway, considering he just made the claim that stockholders greenlight dev decisions, I think we're all safe to ignore the troll and get back to the important discussion of wanting classes that are actually engaging to play. Particularly concerning about the troll's commentary was the total refusal to acknowledge the state of lower level DRG. Which again, you run out of buttons to press for your burst after 3 GCDs at level 70, 4 at level 80 and 5 at level 90, and you aren't even spamming double-weaves to achieve this. Anyone who says that is too much for them isn't giving you a serious opinion.

"I don't like what they are saying because it goes against what I want so they're a troll"

Lower level dragoon is a separate issue and has nothing to do with high level dragoon.

Originally Posted by HeavenlyArmed

I think we're all safe to ignore the troll and get back to the important discussion of wanting classes that are actually engaging to play.

Yeah, there's nothing of value that person can provide to this conversation. What a waste of time.

Anyway, an idea that finally clicked for me as a better option than this is, as many people have suggested, working Life Surge into being a trait rather than a button. I was struggling with it before due to not being able to think of a way to cleanly adapt it, but it's really not that difficult to do in a way that would likely not even change the balance of the job very much. Just make Life Surge a part of Lance Charge, so during Lance Charge any time you use Full Thrust, Heaven's Thrust, and upon the upgrade at level 88, Drakesbane, the skill automaitcally crits. Doing this frees up those button presses allowing the return of the triple Nastrond, and makes burst windows still feel satisfying from a damage perspective due to the guaranteed crits.

Originally Posted by Turtledeluxe

Actually bc of SHB, they actually had the most popular MMO at the time going into EW and their yearly operating income was higher for the fiscal year than what they are on track to do this year, by a lot actually. Part of that is other flops in HD games now, but back then they specifically called out EW as delivering huge results for the entire company's bottom line.

Surely had nothing to do with the blizzard fiasco and asmongold influencing a large portion of WoW's playerbase to try out FFXIV.

Originally Posted by HeavenlyArmed

Just make Life Surge a part of Lance Charge, so during Lance Charge any time you use Full Thrust, Heaven's Thrust, and upon the upgrade at level 88, Drakesbane, the skill automaitcally crits.

Life Surge provides at least a little bit of (quite situational) decision making, so I wouldn't want it to be gone. But if it is either LS or Nastrond and there's no way to keep them as in pre-7.1, then getting rid of LS is a better option.

Stop replying to the monkey

Coming here to voice my support, this is one of the worst job changes to take place since I started playing in Shadowbringers. What is the job design team thinking? Is nothing sacred? If you thought the job was too busy, maybe you shouldn't have given it two boring, generic followups to its iconic jumps, and instead focused on iterating on its gameplay in any meaningful way. I haven't even finished leveling the job to 100 because I already disliked the removal of the eye gauge and the changing of Geirskogul to a 60 second button, but now I know not to bother at all. It already feels terrible to play at level 90, with practically nothing going on in the burst. Get it together, revert this change, and please actually think before making a decision like this next time.