Thread: 7.1 Dragoon Changes Complaints

FFXIV is the most profitable thing square has going for them, it has been and remains to be the main source of their income.

I'm confident that you're expressing a minority opinion, and most people don't want rotations designed the way the people who primarily post on the forums do.

What it is is that, people who are unhappy tend to complain, and people who are happy just play the game.

Originally Posted by HikariKurosawa

Why would I continue to play a game that isn't designed for me when there are so many other activities that are designed for me?

I mean... If you want to stop playing a game because one job doesn't cater to you then I don't know what to say. Go ahead?

Originally Posted by Schan

I mean... If you want to stop playing a game because one job doesn't cater to you then I don't know what to say. Go ahead?

I mean, I did? Then I resubscribed after they changed the job to be more streamlined this patch. The job is catering to me in reality, not you. Difference between us is that I unsubscribe from the game if I recognize that I disagree with the design, you just continue to play while you complain on the forums. Who do you think they should take seriously?

Originally Posted by HikariKurosawa

I mean, I did? Then I resubscribed after they changed the job to be more streamlined this patch. The job is catering to me in reality, not you. Difference between us is that I unsubscribe from the game if I recognize that I disagree with the design, you just continue to play while you complain on the forums. Who do you think they should take seriously?

Ideally, both. People who complain still care about the game, but eventually they will leave too. If SE wants to ignore the warning signs then it's on them. I really don't want them to pull a Blizzard but it seems we're heading that way.

But overall, I agree. Loyalty is not a thing that gets rewarded be it in game or in your professional life.

SE is not very... savy. Just look at the 2135674845 gacha games they've made and shut down.

Originally Posted by HikariKurosawa

FFXIV is the most profitable thing square has going for them, it has been and remains to be the main source of their income.

I'm confident that you're expressing a minority opinion, and most people don't want rotations designed the way the people who primarily post on the forums do.

What it is is that, people who are unhappy tend to complain, and people who are happy just play the game.

XIV being the most profitable is a laughably low bar to clear when it requires a monthly sub and their console games are all underselling or outright flopping. Also their own financial reports show revenue declines as you get out from the expansion launch quarter.

You don't have any evidence people on the forum are special. Hint hint, they are not. They are just as valid a representation of the player base as any other website. You also don't have any evidence that people who play the game are happy. People could potentially be playing classes and be unhappy, ambivalent, or whatever. Just engaging with a job or content doesn't imply happiness.

I played through all DT and was very unhappy with MsQ and my main job. I quit, along with a couple hundred thousand other players.

Originally Posted by Schan

Ideally, both. People who complain still care about the game, but eventually they will leave too. If SE wants to ignore the warning signs then it's on them. I really don't want them to pull a Blizzard but it seems we're heading that way.

But overall, I agree. Loyalty is not a thing that gets rewarded be it in game or in your professional life.

SE is not very... savy. Just look at the 2135674845 gacha games they've made and shut down.

Why would you be rewarded for being happy enough to continue to play the game? You're already content enough to keep playing. If anything, people who are unhappy with the game enough to unsubscribe are the ones who should be rewarded. I want to play the game but couldn't justify it because I didn't like the state of the game enough.

Then when they change the game to make me happy, I reward them in turn by resubscribing. This is a business, not a friendship.

Originally Posted by HikariKurosawa

Why would you be rewarded for being happy enough to continue to play the game? You're already content enough to keep playing. If anything, people who are unhappy with the game enough to unsubscribe are the ones who should be rewarded. I want to play the game but couldn't justify it because I didn't like the state of the game enough.

Then when they change the game to make me happy, I reward them in turn by resubscribing. This is a business, not a friendship.

What you seem to miss is that you need an active sub to even post on the forums, meaning that if you just unsub then you're not sending any specific message to the devs about what you take issue with. That's what this thread is, sending the message about what we think is wrong with a change as it happens, to be clear that we don't like it. And considering this is by far the most active thread right now in the jobs section of the EN forums, and everyone except you who has posted here has been actively displeased with this change, there's a good chance that message comes across so we don't need to take more drastic action in response. Though also to be clear, I expect from reading most of these replies that there will absolutely people who unsub as a result of this change if it's not reverted as well, we're just giving the devs a chance to fix it before that happens.

I picked up the job in Shadowbringers and what made me fall in love with it was a combination of a healthy balance of positional actions, a fun job gauge to manage, jumping actions with animation locks and interesting ogcds. Its gcd rotation has since being extremely simple and has suffered from a boring leveling process because of that.

With Endwalker and the 2min meta, job gauge was trivialized and they started decreasing the animation locks in jumps and I felt great part of the skill expression and ceilling was gone, but I still could enjoy it. Now with Dawntrail we lost positionals and ogcds, and it no longer retains anything that made it interesting for me. I could still accept Drakesbane not being a positional in exchange fore more ogcds, but losing the last bit of its identity is where I draw the line. This job is no longer fun for me.

Now it is an extremely simple gcd rotation for a while with a few ogcds every minute. No need to plan around anything and no failure state, I can only see this state appealing to players who want to be good at the game while refusing to learn it. What even is the point of playing a game if I can not lose?

It is a shame because encounter design so far is being very good this expansion, but I can not experience it in a way I like. I know this trend of striking is already a meme, and it will achieve nothing, but I will not be playing this job until these changes are reverted or compensated. I offer some suggestions:

-Make the single use of Nastrond more interesting. For example, getting inspiration from PvP dragoon where it is an execute, it could deal more damage the later into Life of the Dragon you use it, dealing maximum damage if executed withing the last 5 seconds (4 last ogcds).
-Give other ogcds more interesting effects instead of being potency dumps. For example, Stardiver could increase damage dealt for 8s, allowing you to time it with your 3 strongest gcds and 4 strongest ogcds.
-Make Life Surge interesting. As many other players have discussed above, this ability does not feel impactful or fun. For example, potency of Raiden Thrust or Drakesbane (only one of them) could be significantly increased if it is used after Life Surge, to a point where it overpowers other gcd actions. This would make it feel better to use and plan around, especially when your gcd lines up to do that twice in burst window.
-Allow stacking a third charge of Firstminds' Focus. This would guarantee the usage of a second cast of Wyrmwind Thrust during most buff windows given you plan around it and execute it correctly outside of burst, without allowing a third one.

I would love for other dragoon players to offer and discuss more alternatives, I am sure not all of my suggestions will seem fun for everyone. And I mean dragoon players, not players who used the job in a dungeon once or twice.

In conclusion, dragoon was never broken so I feel offended as a player for this excuse of a fix.

Originally Posted by HeavenlyArmed

What you seem to miss is that you need an active sub to even post on the forums, meaning that if you just unsub then you're not sending any specific message to the devs about what you take issue with. That's what this thread is, sending the message about what we think is wrong with a change as it happens, to be clear that we don't like it. And considering this is by far the most active thread right now in the jobs section of the EN forums, and everyone except you who has posted here has been actively displeased with this change, there's a good chance that message comes across so we don't need to take more drastic action in response. Though also to be clear, I expect from reading most of these replies that there will absolutely people who unsub as a result of this change if it's not reverted as well, we're just giving the devs a chance to fix it before that happens.

You know when you unsub it gives you a prompt to explain why you're unsubbing right? Who are they going to consider, people who remain subbed while giving kneejerk reactions on the forums, or people who unsub and explain why they are unhappy with the game in the space provided to voice your reasoning for unsubbing?

I almost guarantee none of the people complaining in this thread are going to unsub from the game as a result of these changes. You'll throw a little fit, adapt, and realize that the devs actually know what they are doing and it is better this way.