#FFXIVHEALERSTRIKE

[Kacho_Nacho]

They are changing its cast, not its recast, it’s just getting the same 1.5 second cast 2.5 second recast all the healer attacks already have. It’s just giving holy infinite weave space it doesn’t need for near no benefit

There is no benefit unless Creative Studio III intends on making stuns more important in future content. White mages did not need their ability to weave single target and AoE damage spells improved.

It's another step in a long line of decisions to homogenize all the jobs, which is not what players have been requesting. CS3 keeps moving in the wrong direction. If they want players to enjoy the game, they have to make the jobs distinct from each other. No one want to play an MMO where the only differences in a particular role is the weapon they carry and the color of their spells.

[Azurarok]

Hang on a second here, in terms of AoEs:-
Holy stuns,
Gravity is ranged,
Art of War and Dyskrasia are instant cast.

We have no shortage of mobility (or attack prevention in WHM's case) in our AoE spells. Our single target casts are no different to RDM in terms of stationary time.

Not entirely sure what you're going on about here. I'm talking about how we achieve weave/mobility windows, not how much we have, or how varied the AoE spells themselves are (which oops SGE's is just a clone of SCH's).

I saw WHM to be the turret healer in ShB, which I thought was very fitting as the healer counterpart to BLM. It's just not that anymore

[Shurrikhan]

There is no benefit unless Creative Studio III intends on making stuns more important in future content.

It's not as if they affected the stun duration. It's just a matter of, when it no longer stuns (or because the stun takes so long to go off), the WHM is less likely to take an AoE in finishing the cast. It's purely a mobility/weave advantage.

And, tbh, I don't hate no longer being the only caster with the weave-less AoE... even if I would happily have instead reverted healer DoTs back into 12-24 seconds, Gravity back to a full cast and SCH's AoE into a DoT, with only SGE actually having spammable instant-cast AoEs, allowed Swiftcast to be simulcast without animation ICD (simply applies VFX around the caster instead of moving the character model) and just used the frequently-available-but-not-spammable actions to provide weave space.

[IDontPetLalas]

Whyyyy would you give Holy a 1.5 sec cast time? Heaven forbid people learn to swiftcast it when opening a pull.



I'm sorry, but being the "immobile turret" is the whole point of playing caster. The team keeps saying that these changes are for harder content but when did they ever truly deliver on that promise? And what is going to happen with previous content? People already meme on SMN being the fourth phys ranged because it's a caster with very little cast time, for example. Let us earn our uptime.

I wasn't referring specifically to holy- that is one of several points that were being discussed.

Nor do I agree that being an immobile turret is the "whole point" of being a caster, as you specifically noted SMN have been given more mobility. There is no ironclad rule that dictates for all casters exactly what degree of mobility in every game, just how much mobility , a "caster" should have. It likely depends upon how encounters and job/classes are designed together. If Square has changed direction over the years in encounter design then it wouldn't surprise me that job design also gets affected.

[IDontPetLalas]

BLM manages this with triplecast, aetherial manipulation, firestarter, thunder, paradox, and now Despair. RDM manages it with dualcast, spellblades, and acceleration. Why can't healers have different approaches to mobility needs like them?

I never said they couldn't, or shouldn't.

[IDontPetLalas]

Why did they decide to have casters in the first place then if they were gonna design fights that require too much mobility to play one? They're the ones creating the issuse in the first place.

You can actually reward good gameplay with more mobility. Or you can design fights that take into consideration the fact that the game you're making has caster jobs. Or you can stop being so obsessed with the 2min meta that you account casters having to move sometimes and mess their rotation/uptime.

There are a number of ways to solve the issue without just handing out free mobility. And we're talking about Holy... how many Ultimates and Savages require so much Holy spam while moving anyway?

I was probably being unclear- first of all, I wasn't referring specially to Holy as there has be more than one change that affected cast times. Secondly, I'm not by any stretch an expert in game design, I did however main a caster (similar to a BLM by the way) for years , so I'm very familiar with traditional casters with reduced mobility.

I'm not posting to defend any design decisions, I would say that I expect that Square has to balance all the people who were complaining that encounters were stale and boring and people who want balanced jobs, those who want simple jobs, and those who want some skill expression. Personally, I really am more on the "create fun jobs that with some complexity, and reward skill" and less of a "how many AOEs can I dodge / how well can skills be aligned per "x" meta then sleep" person.

[Tigore]

I am more neutral in the decision for Holy to universally get a shorter cast time too. I have dealt with the longer cast version just fine in the past. I was more of trying to digest what goal was being accomplished by Square and what thinking process they are going through.

In any case, there may be an idea to make turret casters work while also adding mobility. We could explore the idea of move casting cooldowns. Shamans in Warcraft still have their 2 minute-ish cooldown that lets them move for around 15s for casting. Mages used to have single use ones with 3 charges (Ice Floes) as a talent choice.

[Supersnow845]

It just seems like a decision by tank and melee mains who are almost wholly unaffected by DDR design deciding what’s better for the casters at the expense of the casters themselves

As a “turret caster” I don’t want infinite mobility nor do I want fight designs that necessitate it

Every decision they make with the jobs makes me more and more convinced this game is designed by and for tank and melee mains. PCT is just the current “pity anomaly” they allow to be good so their bias isn’t as clear

[Aravell]

I just want to point out that the change to the cast time for Holy actually did have some basis, surprisingly.

I've seen quite a number of people complain about being unable to weave Assize or a Tetra/Benison on the tank while spamming Holy without clipping, so there is actually a reasoning for the change (whether or not it's good reasoning is another matter).

No, what truly baffles people this time is the DRG changes. That one is the one that actually no one asked for.

[Kaliesto]

I just want to point out that the change to the cast time for Holy actually did have some basis, surprisingly.

I've seen quite a number of people complain about being unable to weave Assize or a Tetra/Benison on the tank while spamming Holy without clipping, so there is actually a reasoning for the change (whether or not it's good reasoning is another matter).

No, what truly baffles people this time is the DRG changes. That one is the one that actually no one asked for.

Yeah who even asked for that change?