#FFXIVHEALERSTRIKE

[WeakestZenosEnjoyer]

in the short term I fully expect any healer shortage to just lead more people into becoming healers, not enough to make queues not suck but they'll pop eventually, game won't collapse because I'm playing VPR/PIC/RDM.

it's the long term that's less clear, if they find from playing healers regularly that 1-1-1 gaming actually does just suck we end up assimilating them.

[Supersnow845]

in the short term I fully expect any healer shortage to just lead more people into becoming healers, not enough to make queues not suck but they'll pop eventually, game won't collapse because I'm playing VPR/PIC/RDM.

it's the long term that's less clear, if they find from playing healers regularly that 1-1-1 gaming actually does just suck we end up assimilating them.

Exactly other people getting fed up with the length of queues and queuing for healers when they normally don’t only helps us

If they end up liking healers well the healer population stabilises and we get a stable healer population while we move to DPS, if they end up hating it like we do it just magnifies how many people don’t like healers

“Get over yourselves other people will play healer” is literally exactly what we want

[1313]

The stats tell them genuinely nothing of value. There is no step in the process of unsubbing where you are asked why you unsub. Feedback is all they have and healers have been posting feedback for years now.

If you dont mind, how have you learned about this thread? Content creator? Friend from the FC? Post on the internet? What was the explanation given? Did they say this is only a response to xeno's media tour dungeon run?

I found it on my own by coming to the forums, as I do with all threads I comment on. I don't follow a single streamer/creator whatever you call them. I also never said that people were asked why they unsubbed, I said to do so and provide the feedback as to why. That means contact support to provide feedback. The stats regarding the relic are nothing of value, that's correct. However if 500k players in NA swapped their main from healer to anything else, they would notice that and wouldn't wonder why, because people would have provided the feedback the proper channels, in the proper manner, as i stated. PUlling a childish tantrum on the forum and going "on strike" is not the proper manner.

[WeakestZenosEnjoyer]

There's two different accusations of griefing which has really poisoned the discourse.

A) We're intentionally trying to obstruct queues by not playing healers, "just do duty support etc." We're really just not playing a job that isn't fun anymore and bringing attention to why exactly it isn't fun anymore.

B) We're queueing as a healer but not doing our job intentionally to... what, own the tank? Nobody that's part of the strike is doing this
We're not queueing at all, that's our only purpose anymore just making a queue pop.

[HealerGuy]

I had been thinking about this since this whole thing began, and honestly I don't even want MORE dps, I just want it to be interesting, so maybe this could work well as an idea.

When you start with your 1 ability, it changes one of your cure options to a new action for dps "combo". You could do this with a 2 ability and 3 ability so you have a 1,2,3 combo sequence (obviously could vary way past my simple mind) That way, you can have an a ton of options still available to you, a true rotation, and then you can vary it at times to leave combo action 3 up and heal and then return to combo and keep your abc's between heals. It would be pretty easy to weave ogcd's between attacks also if you got practiced.

While I don't play on controller, it would at least make it to where I need to look at my abilities more and check where I am at in rotation/what healing options I have available for a given moment. Tbh, got most of this idea after playing way too much Viper recently so you can prolly see that kinda play style in this idea, I just could see it work with the framework we already have + keep it to be without adding a ton of extra buttons.

Thank you for actually answering my question, I appreciate you. I like where you're head is at (I like the new Ruin IV doing this). I thought this was all about hitting the same DPS button over and over again, wouldn't just changing the picture on the same button sequence just be the same thing?

I wouldn't mind seeing some of this though. Maybe the Cure I/II trait thing could be 100% and using Cure I automatically switches Cure II to an OGCD version with a free stack. Just spitballing. It's not a lot of extra healing but it's a bump.

[LyraShu]

Thank you for actually answering my question, I appreciate you. I like where you're head is at (I like the new Ruin IV doing this). I thought this was all about hitting the same DPS button over and over again, wouldn't just changing the picture on the same button sequence just be the same thing?

I wouldn't mind seeing some of this though. Maybe the Cure I/II trait thing could be 100% and using Cure I automatically switches Cure II to an OGCD version with a free stack. Just spitballing. It's not a lot of extra healing but it's a bump.

I mean, if that's the case then all dps rotations are the same thing, but I completely get you. *shrug* I am not a designer so I can only offer suggestions is hopes to get to the right one. I haven't played too hard with WHM, but always heard about the "free cure bait" so that could actually make that useful!

And also, I have been a day one striker and honestly, this has been the main message from the beginning of "We are bored, please help please help, we are bored" and then we get the same thing. There are other points to the strike because it is mulitple viewpoints, but it mostly stems back to that, we just don't enjoy being bored. There have been others that flame in here saying things and, well I know I am happy to talk about points like people but when flames are burning I tend to want to put them out. I hope you have a good day and do the same for others, happy to keep spitballing also~

[Striker44]

I do casual content more than I do high end and I have 0 reason to use half of my healing kit 99% of the time, what we want is reasons to press more than 1 button for the majority of our playing.

Why are you so against people wanting to enjoy a role whose responsibility is being taken away more and more with every expansion?

I think at its core, the issue is that different people both have different experiences and different things that they enjoy. A change that might make Person A "enjoy" a role more could just as easily make Person B "enjoy" that role less. For example, I heal regularly, but only in roulettes with random, typical players. I definitely need to heal quite a bit more than many people on here would suggest. Just got out of a Vanaspati run this afternoon where one of our DPS managed multiple times to pull aggro on mobs (best guess is that the tank missed something with his initial AoE and then only did single-target attacks?). Said tank also saved mitigation skills for bosses rather than trash packs. That run took most of my healing kit and I probably spent more time on trash pulls healing than doing DPS. And that's not too much of an outlier. Most random tanks I run with, even the infamous WAR, frequently need at least some active healing to keep up in a dungeon unless they're only single-pulling packs.

There's also the possibility that other people simply don't mind if "most" of their time healing is spent spamming one spell. It could well be the "rush" you get when people inevitably mess up and you need to pull out your full repertoire to save the day. They could enjoy the priority being keeping a watch on everyone's health bars instead of going through a DPS rotation while playing a healer. (Yes, I may well be including myself in this group of people...)

On top of that, there have been plenty of comments made about how healers have had more to do in DT content so far. It may well be due to the reality that we haven't overgeared things yet giving a misleading impression of how things will ultimately go, but at least so far I'm not sure how that jives with our responsibility being "taken away" more with each expansion.

It’s only like 2 or 3 people who don’t post in good faith and it’s best to just ignore them entirely. I’m sure you know who I mean.

Indeed. Like people who respond to posts that point out more healing has been needed in DT by insinuating they are just bad healers, right? (No matter how non-sensical that even is...)

[Rolder50]

There's also the possibility that other people simply don't mind if "most" of their time healing is spent spamming one spell.

But even if they add more DPS spells, you could just... still only use the one, if you wanted? I don't understand the argument here.

[BunnyQueen]

I do casual content more than I do high end and I have 0 reason to use half of my healing kit 99% of the time, what we want is reasons to press more than 1 button for the majority of our playing.

Why are you so against people wanting to enjoy a role whose responsibility is being taken away more and more with every expansion?

Also if you’re going to try and say people are acting one way maybe don’t be acting the same way yourself. I’ve never seen such a disingenuous person in a forum ever before.

I agree about that fact healers need to be able to heal more, this whole issue that healers role is being taken away is annoying and dumb.

[PercibelTheren]

As a new sage player who is gonna main it I think everyone here is a whining bitch who needs to play another job but doesn't have the guts to do so. I like the down time, it allows me to dps abs get addersgall stacks. I run with pugs so it's always a challenge and i get comms out the ass because I prioritize healing over dps. Isn't that crazy? How dare i. Go on your strike. I'm enjoying my insta queues

Oh hey, another preachy person who has Shiny New Class Syndrome, coming to tell us how horrible it will be for us that they make our DPS queues shorter. Oh no, how horrible. They really got us this time, guys!

By the way, Ria, let us know how things are going when you've played Sage at max level in current content, for a bit, will you? You literally don't have a single healing job leveled to 100, so you coming here calling us whiny is quite hilarious. Just another entitled tank/DPS main, as usual.