#FFXIVHEALERSTRIKE

[Gwenkatsu]

The only thing I’m gonna roast you for is after 969 pages people are still coming in here...

I hope you did not expect me to read through 969 pages in this thread. To be honest, I stumbled in here by accident, and when I saw someone on the last page asking for a casual's insight, I thought that this could be my 15 minutes of fame

As mentioned, this is the inevitable end result of following the logic of 'if we make jobs less complex, we can make encounters have more complexity'

Then I got everything here wrong, maybe I really should have read through all those pages
If it tones down the overwhelming mechanical mess FF14 dungeons are becoming, I'm all for more complex classes. This is something I can handle, while the crazy lightshow some of the fights are these days is just getting too much for me. Zeromus felt like juggling seven glasses while someone shoots a laser pointer at my eyes in random intervals. Not fun. Not fun at all.

Sorry for derailing this thread with my rant about annoying dungeon mechanics.

[Somnolence]

Rin just dropped meaty healer issues video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HTT5LGWt35k

[Maltothoris]

Then you also have the worst case scenario where the encounter sucks and then it just feels not that great to play. We already have quite a few examples with E7s, P6s, P7s and some ex trials like Rubicante. Ya let jobs have a low barrier to entry but there needs to be at least a foot between the ceiling and the floor and not the 2 inches we currently have.

Edit: Heck look at the strat that being used for ex 3 now with reject authority doing the same thing as TOP meteors and mitting the heck out of it. Just putting more emphasis on mitigation and not actual healing.

[Tigore]

@Gwenkatsu

From the looks of it, your comments are actually way more relevant than us discussing what happened to BLM and DRG >.> I think only a few of anyone can claim to have read all 970+ pages of the thread so far. I can understand if one does not go through it since it sounds like an ordeal that would take all day or two when a person could respond faster with what's going on. I looked at the first post of the thread and I don't remember seeing that person in our conversations up in this area. The first post still looks the same even though some YouTubers are commenting about it sounding unclear. Although the discord link is intriguing. I haven't viewed it yet, but it does make me wonder if a lot of updating happened there.

An example is the post talking about the threat level being low. As we discussed here, that is the veteran side of problem and doesn't address the mechs causing too much damage to happen for a full group of new players. I have also noticed from my Savage friend that he commented about the healing quality declining a bit. The M4S group or so he was in asked the tanks to LB3 the healing check part. Some others have doubts if that means we don't know what we are talking about, but it turns out some of the veterans I knew here unsubbed from the game or are playing different roles. It may be possible that the healers asking for the tank LB3 may still need some practice with the cooldowns we have. Hard for me to say without being there and not seeing the logs of what is happening.

[ForsakenRoe]

An example is the post talking about the threat level being low. As we discussed here, that is the veteran side of problem and doesn't address the mechs causing too much damage to happen for a full group of new players. I have also noticed from my Savage friend that he commented about the healing quality declining a bit. The M4S group or so he was in asked the tanks to LB3 the healing check part. Some others have doubts if that means we don't know what we are talking about, but it turns out some of the veterans I knew here unsubbed from the game or are playing different roles. It may be possible that the healers asking for the tank LB3 may still need some practice with the cooldowns we have. Hard for me to say without being there and not seeing the logs of what is happening.

Assuming I'm thinking of the part that you're talking about, that part is more than likely supposed to be Tank LB'd, given that it is 9 or 10 hits in quick succession of around 60k damage per hit, unmitigated. Healing through it without Tank LB would require using all of your Mits, and throwing in GCD healing, all in order to use a Melee LB to skip a 'hard' mechanic later in the fight (which we can skip with gear now anyway even without that Melee LB)

[Maltothoris]

Also the skip now even more possible with the buffs that have gone onto certain classes as well.

[Tigore]

Hmm and we haven't even gotten to the 5th - 8th 8 man raids yet either. Pretty much all that happened was easier catch up to 720 - 730 ilvl instead of 710 - 730 (crafted upgrades). Other than that, that was the outlier I heard of from the Savage scene. Would we want more of that with the average damage per hit reduced slightly from 60K or the mechanic duration shortened a bit?

[Kes13a]

Rin just dropped meaty healer issues video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HTT5LGWt35k

it was a good video and makes excellent points.

[Aravell]

Assuming I'm thinking of the part that you're talking about, that part is more than likely supposed to be Tank LB'd, given that it is 9 or 10 hits in quick succession of around 60k damage per hit, unmitigated. Healing through it without Tank LB would require using all of your Mits, and throwing in GCD healing, all in order to use a Melee LB to skip a 'hard' mechanic later in the fight (which we can skip with gear now anyway even without that Melee LB)

It's 880k total at minimum gear level, so about 98k per hit at 9 hits in 8 seconds.

Tank LB lasts 10s. Its very obviously a tank LB mechanic. Just because you can dump everything to survive doesn't mean you should, because you can also dump all the mit and time a big shield right before dalamud explodes in the UCoB p3 transition yet nobody expects you to do that and calls you a bad healer for not being able to do that.

[IDontPetLalas]

Personally, I'll put equal blame on the average pseudo-parser and the dev team.
What I mean by pseudo-parser is someone who tries to optimize as far as it's convenient, and anything that isn't convenient is a problem that the dev team have to fix.
I signed up for Black Mage when I first started playing because I wanted to be the one with long cast times and big powerful hits. I don't care if I need to not do anything for a couple seconds to move out of a mechanic. Minimizing that downtime was a lot of fun trying to master.
But then someone took the ever reliable "Always Be Casting" way too literally, and complained that certain casters weren't viable because they couldn't always be casting. They want to optimize the job, but not if it means minimizing movement time to do it. They see the lack of mobility as a bug instead of a feature.
Now, at level 100 Black Mage, in a normal 2 minute rotation without overcapping on resources, we get roughly 34 casts out of 48 GCDs instant. (this doesn't account for leylines speeding up your GCD, or saving polyglot and triplecast to use outside of this window, but you get the point.)
That's completely insane if you ask me. I also did the math for Endwalker, and it's only 21 out of 48. Still pretty high, but at the very least it's not almost three out of every four casts that you don't even need to cast on this immobile caster class.

If you're someone who says that it's not fun to play a job that needs to stand still to deal damage in a game that forces you to move sometimes, I'd suggest playing Dancer.
I know I kind of got off track of healers here, but I'm just still mad about what they've been doing to my baby this expansion.

Yes, to be blunt, and since you're quoting me- I mained a BLM equivalent for more than 10 years in another game, I don't see the relevance of my DPS preferences in a healer thread, If you're going to quote one line out of context, don't be surprised if you come to the wrong conclusion.