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  1. #9431
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    Quote Originally Posted by Maltothoris View Post
    It is sad when things lile fusefield and bombarian special are expections and not the norm.
    Speaking of Fusefield, that mechanic really shows that a lot of the healer players now can barely even handle a modest healing check. The general skill level of the healer role is at an all-time low because no regular content actually trains people to be good at planning their healing.
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  2. #9432
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aravell View Post
    Speaking of Fusefield, that mechanic really shows that a lot of the healer players now can barely even handle a modest healing check. The general skill level of the healer role is at an all-time low because no regular content actually trains people to be good at planning their healing.
    That wouldn't even be all that much of a problem if they made the toolkits actually more engaging to interact with in any meaningful capacity. Right now, Healer toolkits are practically automated in that, there are few, if any, ways to interact with your skills. Tetra, Essential Dignity, Holos, Whispering Dawn. etc are all just fire and forget with no real interaction with any other part of your toolkit for the most part. Wouldn't it be better to create at least some level of feedback loop that made Healing more involved than just use whatever is off CD to solve the next Raidwide?

    Let's take WHM as an example.
    What if Tetra granted a Lily upon usage in addition to getting 1 every 20s? What if Divine Benison lowered the CD on Tetra by 15s on breaking/expiring? What if Misery lowered the CD of Benediction and Lilybell by 30s on usage?
    This makes the Lily System much more flexible in its usage as not only do you now have a means of earning more Lilies throughout a fight, but it also grants you additional healing potential thru the CD reductions on Benediction and Lilybell.

    Obviously, there is also the matter of how to make players actually engage with this system. The Lily System doesn't even get learned until 52 when you unlock Solace but by then, the game has screwed up by forcing players to believe Freecure is a valid strategy. That just means that the levels that we unlock some skills would need to be addressed.

    Let's lower Solace and Rapture to be unlocked at Level 15.
    At Level 20, we learn Tetra (if AST can have ED at 15, Tetra at 20 shouldn't be off the table)
    At level 25, they reintroduce Stoneskin as low level Divine Benison.
    At 60, we learn Misery because the level 60 Capstone is now vacant.

    So now, by level 60, we have a solid Feedback loop of Tetra giving a Lily, Stoneskin lowering the CD on Tetra and Misery lowering the CD of Benediction. There's more room for improvement (*cough*axe freecure*cough*), but if we at least had these tools earlier to learn them, it would go some ways to improving lackluster healer players, at least in regards to their healing capabilities.
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    Last edited by Silver-Strider; 10-18-2024 at 09:25 AM.

  3. #9433
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    At least hold off on the lilies until you have your WHM soul stone since it's supposed to be a WHM thing, not a CNJ thing... I could see Stoneskin coming back in the CNJ level range though and upgrading to Benison sounds good. Also how is freecure still a thing?
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  4. #9434
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    Quote Originally Posted by Alice_Rivers View Post
    Also how is freecure still a thing?
    Who are these mythical people that look at a 1 in 7 chance of triggering a proc that lasts 15s and go, "YeS, tHiS iS wOrTh It"?
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  5. #9435
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    ... Y'all still going on about this?
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  6. #9436
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    Quote Originally Posted by klu View Post
    ... Y'all still going on about this?
    It’s almost like they still haven’t done anything to fix healers

    The job complaints are growing across the board, nobody seems impressed with the job design at the moment
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    As a healer main in this game for nigh on 14 years all I can say is that I’m tired. My role has been eroded of complexity and expression for 3 expansions. I’ve watched the tanks do my role for me for 2 expansions and my feedback and critiques continue to fall on deaf ears.

    I have no idea who modern healers are designed for but I know now it’s not me. This is the first expansion I’m truly considering dropping the healer role and not returning, so if that was the goal- congratulations I guess

  7. #9437
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    "Wow, I can't believe you healers are still not happy after the last 2 patches made absolutely no attempt to address any of your concerns whatsoever!"
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  8. #9438
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aravell View Post
    "Wow, I can't believe you healers are still not happy after the last 2 patches made absolutely no attempt to address any of your concerns whatsoever!"

    I know it's the internet, so you are required by game license to reach for outrage.

    Let me put this another way:

    "The deafening silence isn't answer enough for you yet?"

    Guys. It's been months. They do not care about this theoretical strike you have, and your goal is kneecapped at the gate by the precise thing that handicaps every single strike:

    No one is *really* on strike. Or if that inflates your rage-gland too much, maybe "Your group does not number sufficiently for anyone to be bothered by this."

    Queues are still popping, all day every day.

    So.

    Y'all still going on about this?
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  9. #9439
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    Sure, couldn't really hurt lvling but man the things I've heard about in savage raiding and all that, which is where most of the attention, not to mention this recent thing Yoshi-P said, https://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/...-about-content suggests things that are concerning to them.
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  10. #9440
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    Quote Originally Posted by Maltothoris View Post
    Sure, couldn't really hurt lvling but man the things I've heard about in savage raiding and all that, which is where most of the attention, not to mention this recent thing Yoshi-P said, https://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/...-about-content suggests things that are concerning to them.
    See, this is new to me, and that's good. It's good that this isn't thousands of comments just whinging into the wind. (Which is the vast majority of mmo threads.)

    If Yoshi is aware (and gives a damn) then I retract my statement.

    Keep going on about it.
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