#FFXIVHEALERSTRIKE

[Rein_eon_Osborne]

Solo healer runs are more common for the current ultimates, I would think

I recall DSR was solo-healed current patch by an AST, although the main 'difficulty' from what I understood back in that time was a particular mechanic that threw invisible healer stack marker (meaning 1 other stack will go to 1 random player) so they had about 17+ tries to get a good RNG to survive through that one mechanic alone.

That two latest ults (TOP and FRU) were probably the only ones that gets cleared on-patch without healers.

[Moqi]

I'm not sure how you can say this challenge always seems to be no healer whilst immediately following with the fact that you're aware that no tank runs exist but don't elaborate on why that doesn't contradict your "always" for the healer point.

Becuase normally you'd expect for a generalization to have exemptions and still be considered valid but knowing the local fauna I know you'd go "umm akshually" if I didn't say it. It's common sense but well... you can go make friends with that "53% is technically majority" gal on the other thread lol, you'd get along.

it is just not very common since even for a challenge it doesn't make sense to replace a damage, it's not as impressive as replacing a healer or tank.

Not impressive or just plain boring because healer DPS rotation is boring as hell?

Only the forums would complain about how stale and easy healers have become whilst completely ignoring content that is supposed to challenge your ability

Is Ultimate content the only content that is allowed to not be stale? What are you even saying lol. Of course I'm not doing Ultimate, I've got better things to do than sub for 2 fights per expansion.

[Aravell]

I see we're back to that time of the year where we get people coming in to stalk the logs of everyone and pretend they know the entire raiding history of everyone in the room while calling everyone bad and telling them to go do ultimates.

Must be another day that ends in y.

[IgnisLilly]

I think what's most disappointing about FRU healerless, is that they promised "7.0 encounter design, 8.0 job design", and yet what is supposed to be the crown jewel of encounter design has no space for healers. Ex1, M2s, and M3s all were great fights to heal a decent DOT that never expired, counter attack damage that increased based on hearts, meaning some players got hit harder than others, and just varied and constant raid wides. Then you look at the rest of the fights and it's a raid wide every two minutes, AA cheese in ex 3, and FRU being possible without healers. SE was so close to actually putting a band aid on the problem, but they only pushed the cotton down, none of the adhesive, and it's fallen off.

[Alice_Rivers]

I do remember reading of a "healer only" clear of something or other and tanks saying to the effect of "See? There's no issue here."

[MisterNublet]

I do remember reading of a "healer only" clear of something or other and tanks saying to the effect of "See? There's no issue here."

How will tanks ever recover from the Healer only clear of Aurum Vale?

[Hallarem]

So how's the healer strike going? How many healers are actually "on strike" ?

[ForsakenRoe]

It was EX1 and EX2, in gear available at the time (eg, limited to EX1 weapons/EX2 accessories/I700 leftside from tomes)

But comparing an EX trial (on content) to an Ultimate (on content) seems a little disingenuous to me. Besides, 'Healerless Ult is a problem' and 'Tankless EX trial is a problem', and '<role>-less <content> is a problem' for that matter, are not mutually exclusive statements. Don't be the player who tries to justify this situation by saying 'yeh but <content> was cleared without <role>', we should be expecting better from SE, and saying 'yeh, AND <content> was cleared without <role> too, SE you should fix that while you're at it'. None of us get a better game from drawing up false equivalences between content difficulty levels, or excusing shoddy design because 'well this other example happened to one of the other roles', that this kind of thing happens to any role is the problem.

If an Ultimate was clearable, on content, with no Tanks, we'd give SE hell for having such limp boss damage and zero tankbusters.
If an Ultimate was clearable, on content, with no DPS, we'd give SE hell for having such limp DPS checks. We even saw it this tier in Savage, that the DPS checks were lenient and people complained that it was too easy.

So how's the healer strike going? How many healers are actually "on strike" ?

Considering that some of the influencers who go to the Media Tours, the people that SE give incentives to and ask them to 'say nice things about our game please', picked up on it, have discussed the topic on streams, made videos about their experience with DT healing (videos which Y-P says he watches), and even multiple who've said 'I'm not healing as much now because it's not fun for me for XYZ reason' (often with some underlying tone of 'I miss SB SCH, pls bring it back'), yeh, I'd say it's going alright.

It's kinda up to SE now though, because like, what can we do more than what we've done? Us players can identify problems, come up with ideas on how to fix them, come up with new systems for Healers to interact with in gameplay, etc. But at the end of the day it's the devs at SE that implement the changes (or not). If they decide that 'Actually, our vision for SCH is that 'optimal gameplay' should be 'press Broil 22 times a minute'', then no amount of me posting about ways to reduce that 22 Broils to something a bit less ridiculous (for example, an idea of mine got it down to 15.5 which is still not-great, but anything's better than 22), is going to change anything

[Aravell]

I want to point out that the all tank run of UCoB was only doable in ShB because GNB can output DPS-level damage at lv70. The no tank run of also UCoB was done in EW. The only all healer run I managed to find was a 24 healer run of Ridorana Lighthouse.

Notice how none of the runs where you drop the tank or DPS role was done in ultimate content on the same patch it released. Seems to only be happening to the healer role, funny that.

[Rithy255]

I want to point out that the all tank run of UCoB was only doable in ShB because GNB can output DPS-level damage at lv70. The no tank run of also UCoB was done in EW. The only all healer run I managed to find was a 24 healer run of Ridorana Lighthouse.

Notice how none of the runs where you drop the tank or DPS role was done in ultimate content on the same patch it released. Seems to only be happening to the healer role, funny that.

Would healer mains be happy if you gave healers the same damage output as tanks?

My "wild" take is give healers and tanks the same damage (though give healers more dps buttons), while increasing their mitigation skills while reducing tanks stacked mitigations and even nerfing the passive mitigation on tanks if possible.

Maybe then healers can clear with no tanks and we go full circle to a tank strike! But I like tanks and healers both having strong support options, I don't really just want to nerf tank support abilities and call it a day personally.