#FFXIVHEALERSTRIKE

[Alice_Rivers]

Absolutely. But to hear people here tell it that'd be far too hard and take a long time.

[Aravell]

One of the things they've emphasized is avoiding the existence of a "single point of failure" in casual content.

This isn't exactly correct. Their design aim is actually to remove friction from the party, which, yes, removing the healer being a point of failure works towards this goal.

But now, what do you suppose would happen if the tank soloing the boss while the party is dead were to start causing some friction within the party? I think we may yet see some changes coming.

[Benji41]

I understand your point but there has to be some middle ground between "Healer dying automatically meant the whole group had to wipe" and "It doesn't really matter if the Healer is alive"

[ClaudeHerel]

Oh I have a great idea then. The game should teach people how to play correctly and then filter the people who can't do a tutorial.

That will minimize an incredible amount of points of failure. :^)

It does. They get filtered into the healer role.

[Alice_Rivers]

I understand your point but there has to be some middle ground between "Healer dying automatically meant the whole group had to wipe" and "It doesn't really matter if the Healer is alive"

I know there are those who advocate for the removal of ALL healing from every job that isn't a healer, I consider that an extreme position, others have pointed out that if dps couldn't heal at all then pretty much every solo duty would have to be retested to ensure they could finish it. So I do think there is room for a point where a party that actively uses what limited heals it has should be able to do a bit, like surviving a raidwide and/or a stack so that if you play well you might beat 15-20% of a boss absent a healer depending on how mechs and raidwide damage play out. That way it's not overly punishing if everyone's doing well but the healer slips up, though if a healer really can't do that much (especially at level 80+) kicking them should be the team's right.

[Aravell]

I know there are those who advocate for the removal of ALL healing from every job that isn't a healer, I consider that an extreme position, others have pointed out that if dps couldn't heal at all then pretty much every solo duty would have to be retested to ensure they could finish it.

I just want to point out that removing all healing from the DPS jobs wouldn't affect any solo duty (except when they solo DD).

Physical ranged jobs actually didn't have any heal in HW, so they gave us a constant regen on the special solo duty buff. As long as you don't take avoidable damage, you never need to use any self healing on a DPS job in instanced solo duties.

[GartredZW]

I understand your point but there has to be some middle ground between "Healer dying automatically meant the whole group had to wipe" and "It doesn't really matter if the Healer is alive"

What if players could use Phoenix Downs in normal content?
They could even make the Phoenix Down a General Action like sprint or limit break. It could have a long cast time that can't be swiftcast, just to make sure it's not better than a Healer res in any way. For good measure, have it cost 50% of your HP to use, and have a three minute cooldown.

[Silver-Strider]

I'd say nah. The simplest reason no-healer runs aren't more widespread is that they're much more difficult to pull off, and even when they are, it's not as efficient. Only a very small % of the playerbase is capable of doing those kinds of runs.

Difficult, yes.
Efficient, not so much. It's the same concept of learning the fight with RDM/SMN for Rez utility during prog and switching to a BLM for the extra DPS once it's on farm. If you can get away with dropping one or both healers to clear content, there's no reason not to other than having that extra safety net but that's not a matter of efficiency, that's a matter for peace of mind more than anything.

[OliviaLugria]

I understand your point but there has to be some middle ground between "Healer dying automatically meant the whole group had to wipe" and "It doesn't really matter if the Healer is alive"

Ya... great... do that.

[PercibelTheren]

I know there are those who advocate for the removal of ALL healing from every job that isn't a healer, I consider that an extreme position, others have pointed out that if dps couldn't heal at all then pretty much every solo duty would have to be retested to ensure they could finish it. So I do think there is room for a point where a party that actively uses what limited heals it has should be able to do a bit, like surviving a raidwide and/or a stack so that if you play well you might beat 15-20% of a boss absent a healer depending on how mechs and raidwide damage play out. That way it's not overly punishing if everyone's doing well but the healer slips up, though if a healer really can't do that much (especially at level 80+) kicking them should be the team's right.

I think it's fine for DPS to have enough healing to short-term tide the party over the next raidwide or so while the healers are being scraped off the floor. They just shouldn't be able to keep everyone alive indefinitely. This is honestly also my gripe with Warrior. If it wants to have crazy self healing (even though I think it should be toned down), that's fine. It's the fact that WAR can literally do a healer's job while also tanking that I find problematic.