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    If you bothered to read. you would have noticed the word "everything."
    But if you want me to break it down, I can.
    -The choice/direction to give such abilities to roles outside of healer encroaches on the role.
    This one is strange. This is like saying Scholar shouldn't have damage mitigation because it encroaches on Tank roles. Or White Mage shouldn't have any DPS capabilities. It's not and has never been that type of game.
    -Every job in FFXIV has a 'filler GCD' skill that they press when there are no other requirements. No role in the game pushes this skill more than healer. Not by a long shot. Our offensive capability should still feel dynamic and rewarding. Yes, we are healers, but we are also casters.
    Literally contradicts the first point.
    -Barrier/Pure healer split is largely redundant. All healers essentially play the same with the exception of few and far between niche abilities.
    Contextual. All Tanks play the same way, just like all Mag and Phys DPS play the same way.
    -These are not only abundant, but exceptionally powerful. This in addition to self-sustain on other roles reduces the dynamic of healing comrades.
    An outright lie. A reduction from what? Zero?
    -Healers should feel like they have a place in all forms of content. It is understandable that difficulty can't be so great as to bar progression of story-based content. However, innovative means should still be employed to make greater/full use of abilities.
    Player error.
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    Andreas Cestelle
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    Quote Originally Posted by Retsu90 View Post
    If you bothered to read. you would have noticed the word "everything."
    But if you want me to break it down, I can.
    -The choice/direction to give such abilities to roles outside of healer encroaches on the role.
    This one is strange. This is like saying Scholar shouldn't have damage mitigation because it encroaches on Tank roles. Or White Mage shouldn't have any DPS capabilities. It's not and has never been that type of game.
    -Every job in FFXIV has a 'filler GCD' skill that they press when there are no other requirements. No role in the game pushes this skill more than healer. Not by a long shot. Our offensive capability should still feel dynamic and rewarding. Yes, we are healers, but we are also casters.
    Literally contradicts the first point.
    -Barrier/Pure healer split is largely redundant. All healers essentially play the same with the exception of few and far between niche abilities.
    Contextual. All Tanks play the same way, just like all Mag and Phys DPS play the same way.
    -These are not only abundant, but exceptionally powerful. This in addition to self-sustain on other roles reduces the dynamic of healing comrades.
    An outright lie. A reduction from what? Zero?
    -Healers should feel like they have a place in all forms of content. It is understandable that difficulty can't be so great as to bar progression of story-based content. However, innovative means should still be employed to make greater/full use of abilities.
    Player error.
    1) damage mitigation of the party has always been a healers job, even in old MMO’s, everyone does DPS, the problem is non healer healers are so strong they can actually replace the healer role, you aren’t clearing content optimally on healer DPS, but you can do it on tank heals

    2) your point here makes no sense, saying I don’t want to press glare 70% of the time doesn’t contradict the first point

    3) saying “all roles are shit so healers being shit isn’t a problem” isn’t a good counter argument

    4) yes all heals are incredible powerful I don’t know how else to say that to you, it definitely messes with the design of the game

    5) it’s not player error that my role is functionally vestigial
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    As a healer main in this game for nigh on 14 years all I can say is that I’m tired. My role has been eroded of complexity and expression for 3 expansions. I’ve watched the tanks do my role for me for 2 expansions and my feedback and critiques continue to fall on deaf ears.

    I have no idea who modern healers are designed for but I know now it’s not me. This is the first expansion I’m truly considering dropping the healer role and not returning, so if that was the goal- congratulations I guess

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    Quote Originally Posted by Retsu90 View Post
    -Barrier/Pure healer split is largely redundant. All healers essentially play the same with the exception of few and far between niche abilities.
    Contextual. All Tanks play the same way, just like all Mag and Phys DPS play the same way.
    No, just no.
    Goplay SMN and then RDM and come back later.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lorika View Post
    No, just no.
    Goplay SMN and then RDM and come back later.
    You missed that my main is RDM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Retsu90 View Post
    You missed that my main is RDM.
    Your main reads as Goldsmith…
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    Quote Originally Posted by LynxDubh View Post
    Your main reads as Goldsmith…
    lol. My Main is RDM and WHM is my sub.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Retsu90 View Post
    lol. My Main is RDM and WHM is my sub.
    Contextual. All Tanks play the same way, just like all Mag and Phys DPS play the same way.
    Saying this as a RDM is wild. Casters are probably the 1 role that play very differently from one another.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Silver-Strider View Post
    Saying this as a RDM is wild. Casters are probably the 1 role that play very differently from one another.
    How? The only difference is positionals.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Retsu90 View Post
    -And? Healers can solo MP content. I've done it as WHM. Should healers lose their DPS capabilities?
    What's "MP Content"?

    That's you. Picto players aren't complaining about Picto rotations. Even more braindead rotations than Viper.
    ??? A "melee SMN" is deemed more brainpower exhaustive than a Picto?

    Maybe if you have 2 healers for Savage content. But even a WHM's MedicaII + Regen is rarely going to scratch even a fifth of a tank's HP. The average Tank pulls trash mobs and is down to 20% within the first 5 seconds.
    Reading this, you're either exaggerating or the tank in question has a paper gear on them.

    I have. I solo better as a WHM than WAR. I have a reason for believing what I believe. Role tribalism is ridiculous to me. That's why I roulette as a Healer mainly to spite these simpletons.
    The game literally marketed to be a trinity role game. It's totally valid for people to request for said trinity aspect to be adhered more properly. Thinking that very aspect ridiculous in a trinity role game is even odder. You do you. Although something doesn't seem to add up quite well there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Silver-Strider View Post
    Saying this as a RDM is wild. Casters are probably the 1 role that play very differently from one another.
    Quote Originally Posted by Retsu90 View Post
    How? The only difference is positionals.
    Actually yea, nvm lol. Carry on. Thanks for the bump tho :P
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    Quote Originally Posted by Retsu90 View Post
    You missed that my main is RDM.
    Yeah right.
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