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    ZephyrMenodora's Avatar
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    Zephyr Menodora
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kes13a View Post
    I dont mind using Holy.. except... to be most useful, it needs to be in the center of the mobs and it centers on the cardboard kitten ... me. and if the tank isnt using mitigations.. then I am too busy keeping the tank alive to worry about stunning anything. because f the tank goes down, guess who is chewed on next... yours truly. and if the tank dies, then I die.. its going to be my fault for.. not healing the tank... *shrugs* its always a calculation of how fast I can get it off and keep the tank up in some situations
    Swiftcast-Holy is very useful here. Will save more damage on those "I don't mit" tanks you get than a cure 2.

    Quote Originally Posted by Aravell View Post
    Since people are bringing up that Yoshi P quote again, here's another contradictory thing for you:

    If doing damage as a healer is not required at all, why was the damage kit gutted to make doing damage more accessible?

    Makes you think.
    There is no contradiction here. A healer's DPS not being needed doesn't contradict with his comment on downtime and healers having time to dps.

    I think the point is they want healer damage simple, because that way they can focus on health bars (heaven forbid they also have status effects more regularly too - maybe we will with the Esuna questline), mechanics, and not also be looking for RNG procs or complicated rotations a DPS has. This would probably result in too many average players just completely failing at their actual purpose - healing.

    Quote Originally Posted by Local_Custard View Post
    if healers are only meant to heal why do healers have dps buttons at all? I am confused by the dev's logic
    He didn't say they were only meant to heal. He said their DPS isn't needed. Those are two different statements. Also Healers still need to be able to solo quest, and it's something to cast during downtime. It's not that confusing.
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    Rhaya Jakkya
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    Quote Originally Posted by ZephyrMenodora View Post
    There is no contradiction here. A healer's DPS not being needed doesn't contradict with his comment on downtime and healers having time to dps.

    I think the point is they want healer damage simple, because that way they can focus on health bars (heaven forbid they also have status effects more regularly too - maybe we will with the Esuna questline), mechanics, and not also be looking for RNG procs or complicated rotations a DPS has. This would probably result in too many average players just completely failing at their actual purpose - healing.
    Personally, I find the lack of gameplay the biggest distraction as a Healer. It's very easy to stop paying attention to the game as you just mash one button and you might not notice the DPS standing in fire.
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    Syhrwyda Holskansawyn
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    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainLagbeard View Post
    Personally, I find the lack of gameplay the biggest distraction as a Healer. It's very easy to stop paying attention to the game as you just mash one button and you might not notice the DPS standing in fire.
    Keeping an eye on the rest of the party and anticipating needs is part of the healer gameplay. It is the most party oriented job category out there. If you don't do that part, of course it isn't going to feel like a full engagement job.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Eyrilona View Post
    Keeping an eye on the rest of the party and anticipating needs is part of the healer gameplay. It is the most party oriented job category out there. If you don't do that part, of course it isn't going to feel like a full engagement job.
    Not really, it's more knowing WHEN damage can and will occur, but when the game is doing it's best to bore you to sleep it can get hard to focus.
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    Naychan Le'mew
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    Yep, have definitely fallen asleep healing. Not so much a skill issue at that point though /lol.
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    Xiel Naweh
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    So when is Esuna ever useful? As far as I know all debuffs in dungeons or raids are uncleansable. I mean I can understand the vuln stacks, but everything else? What's the point of keeping a cleansing skill if there's nothing to cleanse except the odd overworld paralysis or Bad Breath?

    ...I miss Warden's Paean on Dooms in Dun Scaith.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Xieldras View Post
    So when is Esuna ever useful? As far as I know all debuffs in dungeons or raids are uncleansable. I mean I can understand the vuln stacks, but everything else? What's the point of keeping a cleansing skill if there's nothing to cleanse except the odd overworld paralysis or Bad Breath?

    ...I miss Warden's Paean on Dooms in Dun Scaith.
    they do that to make content artificially harder. A lot of debuffs could easily be made cleansable
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    Kitiara Utmatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by Xieldras View Post
    So when is Esuna ever useful? As far as I know all debuffs in dungeons or raids are uncleansable. I mean I can understand the vuln stacks, but everything else? What's the point of keeping a cleansing skill if there's nothing to cleanse except the odd overworld paralysis or Bad Breath?

    ...I miss Warden's Paean on Dooms in Dun Scaith.
    Um… many instances of poison, doom, paralyze, etc are esunable even in current content ….. so much so the literal healer role quest this expansion was a big reminder that it exists and to use it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Eyrilona View Post
    Keeping an eye on the rest of the party and anticipating needs is part of the healer gameplay. It is the most party oriented job category out there. If you don't do that part, of course it isn't going to feel like a full engagement job.
    It is, but here is the catch, boss fights any boss fights all follow the same formula dungeon - savage.
    Boss AE
    DPS
    Boss Mechanics
    More dps
    Boss AE
    DPS
    Boss Mechanics
    DPS CHECK (maybe)
    Boss AE
    DPS till boss dead while doing mechanics.

    Once you have been though it a few times its just repetition You know when the big damage is incoming, you know to watch health during mechanics, aside from that and unskilled players there is really not much need to anticipate or watch the health bars. Outside of a bad dps who loves to stand in the bad, its sort of boring.

    Long dungeon pulls yes keep an eye on the health bars when you stop and the tank gets situated. Then its heal
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