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    Quote Originally Posted by Kes13a View Post
    yeah, we wouldnt be able to focus on something we barely do already. oh.. the stress.

    it would also apparently mean the majority represented by one particular person would be prevented from healing. (not quite sure how, but I am sure they could explain it)
    Honestly, I hate the stress argument with a passion because I struggle with anxiety a lot and sometimes it seems that people like me are being used as a cudgel against those who want the game to be even the slightest bit more challenging or engaging. I can't see myself ever stepping into Ultimate because even the idea itself scares me, but that doesn't mean I want it to be taken away from the people who enjoy it. I'm just happily doing the midcore content that I can handle, mostly with the support of friends, and cheering on the people who can handle more difficult stuff.

    Maybe this is the MMO healer vet in me talking, but there is a type of healer stress that I find really enjoyable. It's those situations where I'm having to go into triage mode and think about every choice I make. Successfully dragging the party over the finish line in times like these feels INCREDIBLE. It rewards me for not panicking, which I think is a good way to teach my overly anxious brain that it doesn't have to be afraid of everything all the time. Unfortunately, FFXIV doesn't offer me this experience unless things have gone horribly wrong in a pull or my party is straight up bad.
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    Last edited by PercibelTheren; 08-12-2024 at 12:01 PM.

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    Willig Rowde
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    "The Healer Role is working as intended."
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    Andreas Cestelle
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    The oldest excuse in the book and it’s posted by striker of all people.

    What’s more predictable, that current savage content is clearable without healers, or striker is the first to rush to defend this problem and deflect to problems with the strike instead

    Like I at least change my arguments up now and again, get some new material please
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    As a healer main in this game for nigh on 14 years all I can say is that I’m tired. My role has been eroded of complexity and expression for 3 expansions. I’ve watched the tanks do my role for me for 2 expansions and my feedback and critiques continue to fall on deaf ears.

    I have no idea who modern healers are designed for but I know now it’s not me. This is the first expansion I’m truly considering dropping the healer role and not returning, so if that was the goal- congratulations I guess

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    Honestly I’ve kinda stopped seeing the point in even bothering to complain anymore. We’ve still got around 3 years until things might change (8.0), and they’ve made it abundantly clear they don’t want to listen to healer’s feedback for this expansion. Its like even the literal devs themselves want healers gone lol
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    Quote Originally Posted by Azurarok View Post
    I

    Also Cure~Curaga's a staple to the series and it feels wrong that they're rarely used
    I’ve honestly thought this for so long so it’s nice to see someone else put it into words lol.

    Like, you ask a Final Fantasy fan what kind of spells a Black Mage uses, they’d say ‘Fire/Blizzard/Thunder’. Which naturally are the fundamental core of Black Mage’s design.

    You ask a Final Fantasy fan what kind of spells a White Mage uses, they’re likely going to say ‘Cure/Protect/Shell’. Those are the fundamental spells for any FF White Mage, but in XIV they either literally don’t exist anymore, or exist as completely irrelevant and essentially unusable spells like Cure. Cura / Curaga are more valuable, but at the same time they’re still mostly replaced by Afflatus Solace/Rapture because of Misery.

    It’s sad to me that for most jobs they’ve (generally) stayed fairly faithful to what traditional ff players have come to except from the jobs, but then you get White Mage and the only ‘ff white mage’ thing they really do now is cast Holy III (Holyga? lol)

    Also as an aside EN naming conventions for spells make me kinda sad. To me it’ll always be Cure/Cura/Curaga/Curaja for FF spells lol, especially with how weirdly the numbering system works (going from Holy to Holy III lol). Feels like it’d be more ‘fan-servicey’ to use the standard naming rather than numbers lol, ‘like a real Final Fantasy’. To me anyway lol
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    Cure 2 would probably need to have it's potency doubled to be preferable over Tetragrammaton or even Solace...
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    DPS have low sustain and low defense but high damage potential

    TANKS have high sustain and high defense but average damage potential

    HEALERS have high sustain and low defense and low damage potential

    If tanks can compete with healers in the (needed) sustain department, healers should be able to compete with tanks in the damage department.

    As it is now, the highest of the healers can barely reach the damage of the lowest of the tanks.
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    Last edited by GrimGale; 08-12-2024 at 04:07 AM.

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    Its nice to hear new voices from outside of the typical Forum Visitors, it showes that the problem described exists and gets perceived even without the Strike.
    Because some people act and tell others that its just a handful of people being loud without any substance behind the critic.
    And well new people that saw it before show that this isnt the case.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ayalu View Post
    Its nice to hear new voices from outside of the typical Forum Visitors, it showes that the problem described exists and gets perceived even without the Strike.
    Because some people act and tell others that its just a handful of people being loud without any substance behind the critic.
    And well new people that saw it before show that this isnt the case.
    I'm a pretty "casual" player in some ways, but I actually canceled my sub over this. Today was the end date for my sub, and I was thinking about reactivating but have decided not to. The game has a ton to offer, but playing healer is what I enjoyed most. I loved how dynamic the gameplay was. It reminded me of playing Druid from WoW or some of the classes like Cleric and Friar from DAoC back in the day. 85% of my time spent was just playing one of the four healers. I even preordered Dawntrail and got some of my other characters to 90 in the meantime, but then I just kind of abandoned the game because it wasn't fun anymore for me. I actually stopped playing FFXIV a while ago and let my sub keep running to see if things might change.

    Most of the other roles are just too linear for me. I think the video on YouTube about #FFXIVHEALERSTRIKE got recommended to me because I've been searching over the past few days for a new multiplayer game to play. I will 100% come back if they fix (or transform) healing. I'm totally down to play a buff/debuff role. Loved playing Bard and Enchanter in the original EQ.

    I am probably well in the minority, but I don't think I am alone. There are definitely people who play this game for just one single element, and for me that was being Healy McHealerson. But nobody needs Healy no more.
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    Etherea Stormaire
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    Quote Originally Posted by ralphthemagician View Post
    I'm a pretty "casual" player in some ways, but I actually canceled my sub over this. Today was the end date for my sub, and I was thinking about reactivating but have decided not to. The game has a ton to offer, but playing healer is what I enjoyed most. I loved how dynamic the gameplay was. It reminded me of playing Druid from WoW or some of the classes like Cleric and Friar from DAoC back in the day. 85% of my time spent was just playing one of the four healers. I even preordered Dawntrail and got some of my other characters to 90 in the meantime, but then I just kind of abandoned the game because it wasn't fun anymore for me. I actually stopped playing FFXIV a while ago and let my sub keep running to see if things might change.

    Most of the other roles are just too linear for me. I think the video on YouTube about #FFXIVHEALERSTRIKE got recommended to me because I've been searching over the past few days for a new multiplayer game to play. I will 100% come back if they fix (or transform) healing. I'm totally down to play a buff/debuff role. Loved playing Bard and Enchanter in the original EQ.

    I am probably well in the minority, but I don't think I am alone. There are definitely people who play this game for just one single element, and for me that was being Healy McHealerson. But nobody needs Healy no more.
    wouldnt it be nice if SE had some kind of exit survey? that way they could have numbers and reasons.. instead, SE and people like Striker just prefer people disappear and never give a reason as to why they left. I agree with you, they have neglected to do anything about market bots, so crafting died for me, and they obviously dont give a rats behind about people who enjoy healing.. so not much left here for me either.
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    #FFXIVHEALERSTRIKE

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