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  1. #7251
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    Quote Originally Posted by SigmarrIrenesch View Post
    Wanting healers to be better is all fine and dandy, I started as a WHM and would love to see a more complex version of it someday, but can grumpy strikers please stop queueing as healers and making everything that much worse for everyone? I've wanted to get back into tanking, but it feels like 90% of the time I get a healer who is so fed up with the game and has decided to make it everyone else's problem.

    Dear SGE, yes, I am a WAR, but this is the Sunken Temple of Qarn. I don't have the insane self-sustain at this level. Why is the Kardia on you? Stop spamming Eukrasian Prognosis on the DRG, I am literally dying to single pack pulls here, you absolute cretin. Also I saw you using your entire kit to keep yourself alive when I ate shit and died. I am going to scream. Just a crumb of healing I am begging you.

    Also, what is this current trend of SCHs not having their fairy out? Does anyone have Esuna on their hotbar? Why are you suddenly wanting to tank as AST? What is the meaning of life? Why do I even exist?
    A) how do you know that the healers you ran with were strikers? (b) did you try to help them help YOU? Calling them a "cretin" here is not going to help.

    By the way, when I first started playing as a SCH, I tended to forget to get my fairy out once in a while when I zoned into a dungeon, incidentally it was the tank once who asked me, quite politely, if I had it out. Quite embarrassing, but much appreciated.
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  2. #7252
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    Quote Originally Posted by SigmarrIrenesch View Post
    Wanting healers to be better is all fine and dandy, I started as a WHM and would love to see a more complex version of it someday, but can grumpy strikers please stop queueing as healers and making everything that much worse for everyone? I've wanted to get back into tanking, but it feels like 90% of the time I get a healer who is so fed up with the game and has decided to make it everyone else's problem.

    Dear SGE, yes, I am a WAR, but this is the Sunken Temple of Qarn. I don't have the insane self-sustain at this level. Why is the Kardia on you? Stop spamming Eukrasian Prognosis on the DRG, I am literally dying to single pack pulls here, you absolute cretin. Also I saw you using your entire kit to keep yourself alive when I ate shit and died. I am going to scream. Just a crumb of healing I am begging you.

    Also, what is this current trend of SCHs not having their fairy out? Does anyone have Esuna on their hotbar? Why are you suddenly wanting to tank as AST? What is the meaning of life? Why do I even exist?
    first, sorry you experienced that.

    second, I doubt the people you get are strikers, as we have generally decided to just stop healing for group content.

    I have had Esuna on my bars since I got it at level 10. I even still have Repose and thats as useless as it gets for a skill. If I run SCH, Eos is the first thing I do. I am fed up with their(SE) direction on healers, if I were to do group content, I dont take that out on my fellow players because, I love healing, its why I have been one for so long in every game I play. if I have a job, I do it, plain and simple. level 20 or 100, tank or dps, I am there to keep you up and in the fight.

    I have always disliked people who "heal" just for the faster queues. in my mind, they are not healers, they are opportunists, especially if they cannot do the role that they signed up with.

    I apologize for the existence of these types, but I REFUSE to take responsibility for them. thats their failure.... not mine, nor, as far as I am aware without knowing who they were, the responsibility of any healers actually participating
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  3. #7253
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    Isala Zuntrios
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    Quote Originally Posted by SigmarrIrenesch View Post
    Wanting healers to be better is all fine and dandy, I started as a WHM and would love to see a more complex version of it someday, but can grumpy strikers please stop queueing as healers and making everything that much worse for everyone? I've wanted to get back into tanking, but it feels like 90% of the time I get a healer who is so fed up with the game and has decided to make it everyone else's problem.

    Dear SGE, yes, I am a WAR, but this is the Sunken Temple of Qarn. I don't have the insane self-sustain at this level. Why is the Kardia on you? Stop spamming Eukrasian Prognosis on the DRG, I am literally dying to single pack pulls here, you absolute cretin. Also I saw you using your entire kit to keep yourself alive when I ate shit and died. I am going to scream. Just a crumb of healing I am begging you.

    Also, what is this current trend of SCHs not having their fairy out? Does anyone have Esuna on their hotbar? Why are you suddenly wanting to tank as AST? What is the meaning of life? Why do I even exist?
    Yeah, no. This isn't a striker. This is the kind of healer that SE willingly designs for to attract. What a horrible world we live in.
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  4. #7254
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    Quote Originally Posted by IDontPetLalas View Post
    (b) did you try to help them help YOU? Calling them a "cretin" here is not going to help.
    What a strange response to this story. A Sage putting their heal on themselves, watching the tank die, and then using their entire kit only on themselves is a troll.
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  5. #7255
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    Quote Originally Posted by SigmarrIrenesch View Post
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    If what defines someone as a striker is that they're on strike from (i.e., refusing to use) matchmaking, why would you think a player you got through matchmaking was a striker?

    This is like going to a senior home expecting to find only children and complaining about its residents as said children.
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  6. #7256
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    Zodiark
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    Quote Originally Posted by IDontPetLalas View Post
    A) how do you know that the healers you ran with were strikers? (b) did you try to help them help YOU? Calling them a "cretin" here is not going to help.
    A.) I don't, but how do you know they were not? B.) What I wrote was not a hyperbole and it definitely wasn't someone new trying to figure out how to play, it was 100% intentional griefing. What can I even do there to help them to help me?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kes13a View Post
    I apologize for the existence of these types, but I REFUSE to take responsibility for them. thats their failure.... not mine, nor, as far as I am aware without knowing who they were, the responsibility of any healers actually participating
    And you shouldn't take responsibility for their actions! It's all good, there are plenty of cool healers out there. I try my best to do all I can when I queue as one. It's just a shame that there is a section of players who would intentionally make simple runs that much more difficult, be it under the guise of the strike or not.
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    Last edited by SigmarrIrenesch; 07-20-2024 at 04:28 AM.

  7. #7257
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    Quote Originally Posted by SigmarrIrenesch View Post
    B.) What I wrote was not a hyperbole and it definitely wasn't someone new trying to figure out how to play, it was 100% intentional griefing. What can I even do there to help them to help me?
    Unfortunately there are just some griefers in this game, and healers have tools to grief harder than the other roles. For example, a couple weeks ago while tanking when I got a Tankbuster a bored healer pulled me into everyone else with Rescue. The timing was intentional.

    Witholding healing as purposely and obvious as this person is also griefing.

    Unfortunately we have some players like the person above who honestly believe that this person was learning (lol), as though if you played enough to unlock sage you wouldn't know that the tank should be healed.
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  8. #7258
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    Quote Originally Posted by ZephyrMenodora View Post
    What a ridiculous response to this story. A Sage putting their heal on themselves, watching the tank die, and then using their entire kit only on themselves is a troll.
    Excuse me, but YOUR response is ridiculous. What I clearly said is that it was useless to post here that the people in your party are "cretins". If you encounter behaviour that isn't helping you, you have 4 choices- help the person (if you can) , put up with it, leave, or kick them.

    Personally I would prefer to try to help someone before choosing the other options, as I have benefited personally from other players helping me (and I'm sure will do so in future) , but you do you.
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  9. #7259
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    Quote Originally Posted by IDontPetLalas View Post
    Excuse me, but YOUR response is ridiculous. What I clearly said is that it was useless to post here that the people in your party are "cretins". If you encounter behaviour that isn't helping you, you have 4 choices- help the person (if you can) , put up with it, leave, or kick them.

    Personally I would prefer to try to help someone before choosing the other options, as I have benefited personally from other players helping me (and I'm sure will do so in future) , but you do you.
    That person was a cretin. Why should we coddle griefers like this? It's what results in people playing terribly and no one being able to say a thing about it. Sorry not sorry.
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  10. #7260
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    Quote Originally Posted by Shurrikhan View Post
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    There are plenty of people who are unhappy with the current state of the healer jobs, partake in the strike discussions but also queue into duties as healer. Some of them to cut the insane DPS queue times, some to do stupid shit because "the game doesn't need healers and it's ez anyway so it's whatever lmao." It's unfortunate, but it is what it is. We can't control everyone taking part in this or sharing the sentiment to act the same way.

    Quote Originally Posted by IDontPetLalas View Post
    Personally I would prefer to try to help someone before choosing the other options, as I have benefited personally from other players helping me (and I'm sure will do so in future) , but you do you.
    Then do tell; How could have I helped a person intentionally griefing?
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    Last edited by SigmarrIrenesch; 07-20-2024 at 04:41 AM.

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