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  1. #7151
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    Kozmakis's Avatar
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    Pencho Gipsa
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kes13a View Post
    lets be honest here, at what level do they draw the line and say "look, you must have picked up the basics by now so expect things to get a bit harder"
    I can't draw the line, unfortunately, but I believe it is fair to say it's not expected to be dramatically different between level 15 and level 100, if you look at the Japanese forums (https://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/threads/499751). Many Japanese players appear to not feel the same level of dissatisfaction with healers as we do. They seem to appreciate the current balance between accessibility and complexity and are expressing caution about changes that could complicate the role. The main consensus, based on my translator app (I do not know Japanese, I was just curious to see what the other part of the player base thinks), is that gradual improvements are preferred over drastic changes to maintain the enjoyment and approachability of the game.
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  2. #7152
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    Kes13a's Avatar
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    Etherea Stormaire
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    Zalera
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kozmakis View Post
    I can't draw the line, unfortunately, but I believe it is fair to say it's not expected to be dramatically different between level 15 and level 100, if you look at the Japanese forums (https://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/threads/499751). Many Japanese players appear to not feel the same level of dissatisfaction with healers as we do. They seem to appreciate the current balance between accessibility and complexity and are expressing caution about changes that could complicate the role. The main consensus, based on my translator app (I do not know Japanese, I was just curious to see what the other part of the player base thinks), is that gradual improvements are preferred over drastic changes to maintain the enjoyment and approachability of the game.
    I dont mind gradual improvements which would be a far different direction that the steady decline we have had for a while now.
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    #FFXIVHEALERSTRIKE

  3. #7153
    Player Isala's Avatar
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    Isala Zuntrios
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kozmakis View Post
    I can't draw the line, unfortunately, but I believe it is fair to say it's not expected to be dramatically different between level 15 and level 100, if you look at the Japanese forums (https://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/threads/499751). Many Japanese players appear to not feel the same level of dissatisfaction with healers as we do. They seem to appreciate the current balance between accessibility and complexity and are expressing caution about changes that could complicate the role. The main consensus, based on my translator app (I do not know Japanese, I was just curious to see what the other part of the player base thinks), is that gradual improvements are preferred over drastic changes to maintain the enjoyment and approachability of the game.
    Funny that, when there were drastic changes that destroyed the enjoyment of the game when they lobotomized every single healer after Stormblood.
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  4. #7154
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    CaptainLagbeard's Avatar
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    Rhaya Jakkya
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    Odin
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    White Mage Lv 100
    They say "Healers should heal"... But the only time I've actually felt like I was healing and not just being a worse DPS so far in all of what I've played of DT was doing Ar4 on it's launch day and the other healer in the party barely did any healing and spent most of the fight dead so I had to solo heal... They only really started healing at the end with the soft enrage.

    It felt refreshing to actually heal for once, but it's a great show of how overloaded healer kits are... And it's not even a matter of being overgeared as I was at ilvl 691, with the raids having 685 min.
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  5. #7155
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    Wildheaven182's Avatar
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    Rowan Aarontagdh
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    The Japanese base is more likely to be more agreeable with the japanese company. As well as the fanbase's culture of rejecting criticism in all forms, and the intensity of japanese conformity culture.
    Like the rest, the view is that Square can do do wrong and it's their job to justify it.
    Lastly, to the japanese playerbase, healer is an inherently inferior role, so it is correct and natural to keep it in its place.
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  6. #7156
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    Rhaya Jakkya
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wildheaven182 View Post
    Lastly, to the japanese playerbase, healer is an inherently inferior role, so it is correct and natural to keep it in its place.
    If anything I'd say DPS is the "Inferior role" as they have the least responsibilities in pretty much everything ever.
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  7. #7157
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    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainLagbeard View Post
    If anything I'd say DPS is the "Inferior role" as they have the least responsibilities in pretty much everything ever.
    fact. they only have ONE job.. to dps.. two if you bother to include "dont stand in bad stuff" but they often fail at #2
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    #FFXIVHEALERSTRIKE

  8. #7158
    Player Mortex's Avatar
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    Rigor Mortex
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kes13a View Post
    fact. they only have ONE job.. to dps.. two if you bother to include "dont stand in bad stuff" but they often fail at #2
    Don’t tell them that they have also dmg reduction tools. They have a mental breakdown if you do
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  9. #7159
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    LyraShu's Avatar
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    Lyra Shuu
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mortex View Post
    Don’t tell them that they have also dmg reduction tools. They have a mental breakdown if you do
    Sir,

    This is blasphemy of the highest order! How dare you suggest DPS to anything other then DPS and stand in puddles!

    (I hope the joke/sarcasm is heard haha)
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  10. #7160
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    Grainne Gothram
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    Cerberus
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    Black Mage Lv 50
    Playing only DPS in XIV but healer in other MMOs really shows to me that XIV players really aren't mmo players.
    I am so used to DPS in other MMOs helping out through buffs, mitigations and aggro control but in XIV they literally just DPS, Its pretty boring. When im on Monk doing extremes in PF I often ask the healers if they have points they want me to use Mantra at and they're always suprised that I even use Mantra let alone talk to them about it. Also no one talks about who mits first between casters, melees and phys range so they don't overstack each other even in savage. XIV players honestly take the Role names completely at face value, DPS need to DPS, Healers need to Heal and Tanks need to Tank don't do anything else.
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