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    Quote Originally Posted by HealerGuy View Post
    Three responses were given to me and a bunch of whining. None of the three responses that I saw were adequate, actually workable options and the whining goes in the trash.

    Sorry, having to hit LB+(x), then mount up, the LB+(x) to get off the mount crosshotbar sounds incredibly annoying after a day of use let along years.
    That's just not going to work.
    I'm sorry but "this is not going to work" is incredibly subjective. If it's annoying to you then I respect that but this can't be used as a seemingly "objective" argument as to why adding more dps buttons is impossible.
    If the benefit outweighs the disadvantage then I personally think a bit of annoyance is a fair tradeoff outside of battle content if it improves our gameplay experience within battle content, the major playable content of this game, by giving us better class design.
    You are free to disagree with that but please understand that both of our views are subjective so blanket statements like "this doesn't work" are misplaced.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Loggos View Post
    I'm sorry but "this is not going to work" is incredibly subjective. If it's annoying to you then I respect that but this can't be used as a seemingly "objective" argument as to why adding more dps buttons is impossible.
    If the benefit outweighs the disadvantage then I personally think a bit of annoyance is a fair tradeoff outside of battle content if it improves our gameplay experience within battle content, the major playable content of this game, by giving us better class design.
    You are free to disagree with that but please understand that both of our views are subjective so blanket statements like "this doesn't work" are misplaced.
    OK, set up your keyboard to access mounts to be: Shift+button then you have to hit another button so you use a mount then you have to hit shift+button to go back to your class abilities.
    That's just bad design on it's face. SE has to make everything work on a controller.

    Having to deal with "a bit of annoyance" to mount every single time you mount (what like 30 times a day, 210 times a week) after about 300 times dealing with that, it's not "a bit of annoyance" it's a constant annoyance bordering on a massive headache.

    Sorry, "that's just not going to work" and you're right, it is subjective, just like enjoying eating a little toilet paper for lunch is subjective.
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    Last edited by HealerGuy; 07-11-2024 at 10:47 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HealerGuy View Post
    OK, set up your keyboard to access mounts to be: Shift+button then you have to hit another button so you use a mount then you have to hit shift+button to go back to your class abilities.
    That's just bad design on it's face. SE has to make everything work on a controller.
    We are talking about controllers, not keyboards. You are shifting the goalpost. Keyboard hotbar optimisation work completely differently, esp. since you also have a mouse.
    Based on the keyboard setups I have seen I'd say if you play on keyboard you can use your screen space a lot more efficiently (because bars are easier to place than our controller crossbar) so you can place set 4/5/6 on your screen where it doesn't bother you and literally just click on your mount with your mouse. (You can even set up your keyboard hotbars as squares or smaller rectangles for some advanced tetris.)
    Example
    (The topic of the vid is unrelated. I just think the hotbars on his screen are a good example. Though I do think it's also a good example of how convenient operating your keyboard-based UI is with a mouse and how you can optimise it.)

    Quote Originally Posted by HealerGuy View Post
    Having to deal with "a bit of annoyance" to mount every single time you mount (what like 30 times a day, 210 times a week) after about 300 times dealing with that, it's not "a bit of annoyance" it's a constant annoyance bordering on a massive headache.
    Sorry but hard agree to disagree. This is again your subjective perception that you are turning into an objective statement. I don't consider it a headach at all. So from my perspective I could also say claiming that "LB+x" is a massive headache blows the whole issue completely out of proportion. You'd probably think that's quite dismissive, after all it bothers you and who am I to dictate what bothers you and what doesn't. But the thing is, it works both ways. You are not to dictate what bothers other controller players and what is "objectively" a massive headache. So at least acknowledge the subjectivity in your statement, just as I acknowledge that it not bothering me in the slightest is my own subjective experience.

    Quote Originally Posted by HealerGuy View Post
    Sorry, "that's just not going to work" and you're right, it is subjective, just like enjoying eating a little toilet paper for lunch is subjective.
    Such a good faith argument. Such a display of your willingness to engage in a constructive conversation.
    Please try to come up with a more creative strawman next time.
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    Last edited by Loggos; 07-12-2024 at 12:58 AM.