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  1. #6811
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    Ramiee's Avatar
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    Grainne Gothram
    World
    Cerberus
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    Black Mage Lv 50
    Tanks are losing popularity due to them all starting to feel really samey and the fact DRK and PLD feel really bad to play.
    Still theres an entire tank forum to talk about that.
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  2. #6812
    Player Venarius's Avatar
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    Celeste Valeria
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    Zodiark
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    White Mage Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Ramiee View Post
    Tanks are losing popularity due to them all starting to feel really samey and the fact DRK and PLD feel really bad to play.
    Still theres an entire tank forum to talk about that.
    PLD was my go to job when I wasn't on a healer. Lost all interest in playing when they "reworked" it.
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  3. #6813
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    Eri Battlesaint
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    Brynhildr
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    Warrior Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Grann-Goro View Post
    You already asked this, and several responses were already given to you.
    Three responses were given to me and a bunch of whining. None of the three responses that I saw were adequate, actually workable options and the whining goes in the trash.
    After like two pages of trash comments I figured I'd skip like 10 pages because I assume they're all the same trash.

    Sorry, having to hit LB+(x), then mount up, the LB+(x) to get off the mount crosshotbar sounds incredibly annoying after a day of use let along years.
    That's just not going to work. Everything needs to be on two sets of cross hotbars to allow mounts, deep dungeon potions, etc to be on the third. That's 32 free slots to work with.
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    Last edited by HealerGuy; 07-11-2024 at 10:34 PM.

  4. #6814
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    HealerGuy's Avatar
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    Eri Battlesaint
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    Brynhildr
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    Warrior Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by LyraShu View Post
    I mean, we were talking about one solution I had offered already. I know other people have put in graphs and responses also from all walks of the game (raiders to casuals). I know the mentality is "I am not gonna look through 600 pages of a forum post" but it has been discussed already. I do hope you have a good one though~
    If it's been discussed then what healing options have we decided need to be removed from WHM to add DPS?
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  5. #6815
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    HealerGuy's Avatar
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    Eri Battlesaint
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    Brynhildr
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    Warrior Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by currentlemon View Post
    A lot of us have provided suggestions and solutions to each healer Job in this thread. Myself included.

    As a former WHM player, the job doesn’t need extra DPS buttons. We got a new DPS action in DT, but it’s locked behind an ability on a 120sec cooldown and you have to wait 90 levels to get it.

    WHM’s DPS actions are fine, but we don’t use half of those actions most of the fight. It’s just all Glare spam.

    To add variety to the rotation, have Aero / Dia’s DoT timer reduced to 15 seconds. Adjust the potency, yes, but make us press it more.

    Separate Glare IV away from Pressence of Mind. You still have the 3 free Glare IV’s after PoM is used, but make Glare IV usable outside of that ability. Make it proc off Dia or let it be a GCD on a 20sec CD.

    While we are at it, reduce PoM’s CD to 60 seconds.

    Make Holy, a Final Fantasy staple, usable in a single target rotation. Maybe an AoE DoT after PoM is used.

    The only healing action that needs to be removed from WHM is Cure I, which needs to naturally upgrade to Cure II.
    These are actually good insights, I appreciate you. But is this really worth throwing a hissy fit over? Nothing will ever be perfect, ever.
    The changes you're talking about seem pretty trivial for all the fuss.
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  6. #6816
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    HealerGuy's Avatar
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    Eri Battlesaint
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    Brynhildr
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    Warrior Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by PercibelTheren View Post
    I have responded to that question. I have also linked a Reddit thread that talks about how you can set up your controller in order to have zero problems with having a lot of abilities. You have, apparently, very conveniently not seen either of my two replies. Either that or you are willfully ignoring them.
    I did not see your reply. Apologies. Also, my hotbar is set up very well using every ability and allowing me to use other things that require quick access like mounts, deep dungeon potions, map search, etc. Thanks for just assuming I'm a dumbass and my setup sucks. Appreciate that.
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    Last edited by HealerGuy; 07-11-2024 at 10:35 PM.

  7. #6817
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    Eri Battlesaint
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    Brynhildr
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    Warrior Lv 100
    I get it though, it's just the toxic raiders complaining like they always do about everything. That's all I see here.
    Ruin the game for everyone just so they can fine tune it to high end content (which any developer worth their salt would never do).
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  8. #6818
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    Kaeya Alberich
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    Twintania
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    Pictomancer Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by HealerGuy View Post
    Three responses were given to me and a bunch of whining. None of the three responses that I saw were adequate, actually workable options and the whining goes in the trash.

    Sorry, having to hit LB+(x), then mount up, the LB+(x) to get off the mount crosshotbar sounds incredibly annoying after a day of use let along years.
    That's just not going to work.
    I'm sorry but "this is not going to work" is incredibly subjective. If it's annoying to you then I respect that but this can't be used as a seemingly "objective" argument as to why adding more dps buttons is impossible.
    If the benefit outweighs the disadvantage then I personally think a bit of annoyance is a fair tradeoff outside of battle content if it improves our gameplay experience within battle content, the major playable content of this game, by giving us better class design.
    You are free to disagree with that but please understand that both of our views are subjective so blanket statements like "this doesn't work" are misplaced.
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  9. #6819
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    Eri Battlesaint
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    Brynhildr
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    Warrior Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Loggos View Post
    I'm sorry but "this is not going to work" is incredibly subjective. If it's annoying to you then I respect that but this can't be used as a seemingly "objective" argument as to why adding more dps buttons is impossible.
    If the benefit outweighs the disadvantage then I personally think a bit of annoyance is a fair tradeoff outside of battle content if it improves our gameplay experience within battle content, the major playable content of this game, by giving us better class design.
    You are free to disagree with that but please understand that both of our views are subjective so blanket statements like "this doesn't work" are misplaced.
    OK, set up your keyboard to access mounts to be: Shift+button then you have to hit another button so you use a mount then you have to hit shift+button to go back to your class abilities.
    That's just bad design on it's face. SE has to make everything work on a controller.

    Having to deal with "a bit of annoyance" to mount every single time you mount (what like 30 times a day, 210 times a week) after about 300 times dealing with that, it's not "a bit of annoyance" it's a constant annoyance bordering on a massive headache.

    Sorry, "that's just not going to work" and you're right, it is subjective, just like enjoying eating a little toilet paper for lunch is subjective.
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    Last edited by HealerGuy; 07-11-2024 at 10:47 PM.

  10. #6820
    Player Aword3213's Avatar
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    Character
    Eizen Aifread
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    Typhon
    Main Class
    Monk Lv 100
    Cure II : 700 potency single target healing(discount EW passive)

    Tetra: 700 potency single target healing

    Solace : 700 potency single target healing(discount EW passive

    Complaint: hotbar problem

    Suggestion: condense various spells for more space

    Response: You elitists are just whining. Your ideas should go straight to trash can. Also,why are you guys are toxic to little me?(forget about calling people A-hole) You just want my favorite WHM to be removed from the game!!! How could you?(sob
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    Last edited by Aword3213; 07-11-2024 at 11:04 PM.

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