#FFXIVHEALERSTRIKE

[Isala]

I agree. and as I said before pages ago, balance is a fools pursuit and only useful in pvp games.

if I am playing a job I think is fun, I personally dont care if another job does something better. their pursuit of this "balance" their need to copy and paste to new jobs to appease a section of the playerbase, I dont see it ending well for any jobs in the game, healers just are suffering first because they dont care or play healers

Honestly, I feel like healers were the canary in the coal mine, so to speak, once ShB happened. That should have been a BIG warning of what was to come. Now we're seeing it with the DPS and Tank jobs too. Even BLM got gutted for some reason. I cannot fathom how SE feels like ripping away any form of skill from Jobs is a good design decision. Gap closers lost their damage because "It's too hard." They strip out positionals because those are "too hard". Meanwhile, the vast majority of players I have met in the decade I have played this game seemed to handle them just fine, or just didn't bother to engage with them in the first place. And the question remains, why are we catering to the latter? If someone is just going to not do something, why is that the kind of player you are designing for? They're not going to engage with your Jobs, no matter how much you destroy them for everyone else.

[Khutulun]

If balance was their goal, they've yet to succeed on that front... even if we ignore the healer element of the problem- i.e. the role that is borderline unneeded in most content. Despite how little uniqueness any one job has inside a role, there's still a clear hierarchy of "this job is clearly better than the others".

I do respect their attempts though. It does seem like this game is better balanced than my experiences with GW2, and looking at WoW tier lists whenever they're slapped onto my face while browsing a Discord channel... seems more balanced than there too? Unfortunately, MMOs (like strat games or resource management sims) is a spreadsheet number cruncher when it comes to the hardcore community- bigger numbers, values, utility go brrrrrrrrrrr. I think it's impossible to not have winners and losers when it comes to balance. Might as well be risky and make the game more fun and bizarre, especially when your game has automated queues for regular content and the ability to play EVERY JOB on the same character.

[Rolder50]

Gap closers lost their damage because "It's too hard."

I agree with everything except this. I think it's pretty stupid to have gap closers be a part of your DPS rotation where you just use them during cooldowns and gg. Much prefer them being used to, you know, close gaps when needed. Game needs more pure utility in general, imo.

[Elun]

Not sure how it is on other servers, but in PF, Healer has by-and-large the slowest filled role.

I think a major part being there’s more DPS people want to try and there’s no quick healer to level. Moreso, I think a lot of folks are finding healer a slog to playthrough making it a detriment for endgame.

If it’s this bad for EX, will it be much more worse when Savage comes out?

Taken from PF right now, looks like tanks/heals even
Duty finder is tanks in need all day every day
Shame I was hoping the healer strike would let me get more healer in need dungeon bonuses but oh well

[Supersnow845]

Taken from PF right now, looks like tanks/heals even
Duty finder is tanks in need all day every day
Shame I was hoping the healer strike would let me get more healer in need dungeon bonuses but oh well

AIN is meaningless as healer can only be in need explicitly when Tank isn’t in need

[Elun]

AIN is meaningless as healer can only be in need explicitly when Tank isn’t in need

As long as one of the roles must always be 'in need' then what is meaningless about it? If tanks aren't in need, then it would be because the needed role is in need. But if tanks are in need, then ...

[Supersnow845]

As long as one of the roles must always be 'in need' then what is meaningless about it? If tanks aren't in need, then it would be because the needed role is in need. But if tanks are in need, then ...

It’s because it doesn’t adequately reflect the actual need of the roulettes because it checks the roles sequentially and stops when it reaches an “in need”

For example let’s say there is 30 sets of 2 DPS in the levelling roulette of those 30 “parties” all 30 are looking for a healer, but one of those 30 parties is also looking for a tank. In this case AIN will show tanks as in need as there is one party that needs a tank even though healer is far more in need and has queues that will pop faster

It’s not about “well someone has to be listed in need when nobody is in need” it’s the fact that the system won’t even check healers to see if they are “more” in need when it determines that tanks are in need

[Elun]

It’s because it doesn’t adequately reflect the actual need of the roulettes because it checks the roles sequentially and stops when it reaches an “in need”

For example let’s say there is 30 sets of 2 DPS in the levelling roulette of those 30 “parties” all 30 are looking for a healer, but one of those 30 parties is also looking for a tank. In this case AIN will show tanks as in need as there is one party that needs a tank even though healer is far more in need and has queues that will pop faster

It’s not about “well someone has to be listed in need when nobody is in need” it’s the fact that the system won’t even check healers to see if they are “more” in need when it determines that tanks are in need

Weird that it works that way and doesn't just compare the number of missing slots to each other, but I trust what you are saying is how it works, and would def explain seeing tank in need more frequently than normal.

Even with this being the case though, that means there are still always parties missing tanks just sitting there waiting on them instead of healers, or else if that 'only one party missing a tank' filled then it would immediately flip over to healer in need right after, no?

Queuing myself I still always get instant queues as a tank (I main PLD) and queuing WHM I generally have to wait, not terribly long but, not instant like tank - maybe 1-3 minutes, and can't seem to ever catch the healer in need bonus

I really do think tanks are just overall more in need still, at least as far as DF is concerned. PF they seem more even split.

[MaikoRaines]

Taken from PF right now, looks like tanks/heals even
Duty finder is tanks in need all day every day
Shame I was hoping the healer strike would let me get more healer in need dungeon bonuses but oh well

I'm glad I do not have this problem... between maining Astrologian and having friends/FC members who have been trying to figure it out since day one, it's been business as usual in terms of queues for us. Was also half expecting to be bullied for walking that imaginary picket line - even though I want nothing to do with it. Nor do most people I know who main healers.

For those who quit the game for this whole movement, hope you're doing anything else - playing that backlog. Touching grass. Getting to the heart of whatever matters y'all put off all this time.

o7

[TheDustyOne]

Weird that it works that way and doesn't just compare the number of missing slots to each other, but I trust what you are saying is how it works, and would def explain seeing tank in need more frequently than normal.

Even with this being the case though, that means there are still always parties missing tanks just sitting there waiting on them instead of healers, or else if that 'only one party missing a tank' filled then it would immediately flip over to healer in need right after, no?

Queuing myself I still always get instant queues as a tank (I main PLD) and queuing WHM I generally have to wait, not terribly long but, not instant like tank - maybe 1-3 minutes, and can't seem to ever catch the healer in need bonus

I really do think tanks are just overall more in need still, at least as far as DF is concerned. PF they seem more even split.

My experience has been the opposite ever since ShB launched; despite DF listing tank in need, I always get instant queues as healer. Even currently when I do queue on PLD I still have to wait a few minutes before a queue pops. It was the opposite back when I started playing in SB where tanks were instant and healers were a few minutes wait. Maybe it's more of a data center thing? Unsure, but either way I don't like using AIN to show whether or not a role is "actually" in need / populated /unpopulated, etc. Luckybancho I think does a better job of showing what the general population of players prefer to play.

Another thing to add is that AIN also has its own "tick rate" of sorts where it only checks every 40-60s (not sure on the actual time) for what might be "in need". So even if for a brief period a tank might not be in need, if tanks were in need during that last tick, it'll still show as tanks in need. The bias towards tank was for early on in the games life to encourage people to play tank (as it was the least played role at the time), but nowadays I think the bias just isn't necessary anymore.