#FFXIVHEALERSTRIKE

[Saraide]

Yea but the rest of the points and of the people shouting and yelling are because healers 11111 spam. So I think the lack of real conclusively is why the devs will not change anything. When instead just saying "nerf tank healing" would be easier for 99% of people to get behind and wouldn't come off elietist. Where are "healers are ez mode" yea u can see how it comes off

Because there is more than one problem with healer job design. It's not just tank self sustain. It's not just glarespam. Both is a problem and the combine to make an even worse problem: it's boring for people across all skill levels.

What is it they say about assume again?
It makes a something something of something something. Yea. Ur assuming. I did read them and I've been reading this thread for a while. And I'm noticing the complains aren't organised. Half of you want 1 thing half want the other. Because of this inconsistency the devs are unlikely to listen to either

Half of you call the strikers casual scrubs who should play harder content before speaking and half of you call them elitist scum who just want to gatekeep dungeons? Why dont you organize?

[sindriiisgaming]

Because there is more than one problem with healer job design. It's not just tank self sustain. It's not just glarespam. Both is a problem and the combine to make an even worse problem: it's boring for people across all skill levels.

They won't add complexity to healers rotations. I'd give that dream up now. If they did theyde alienate casuals from the role even further. Its probably better to demand a change to tanks instead aswell as more heal checks

[Saraide]

They won't add complexity to healers rotations. I'd give that dream up now. If they did theyde alienate casuals from the role even further. Its probably better to demand a change to tanks instead aswell as more heal checks

So would you say it's best to stop playing healer until something changes?

[Supersnow845]

Yea but the rest of the points and of the people shouting and yelling are because healers 11111 spam. So I think the lack of real conclusively is why the devs will not change anything. When instead just saying "nerf tank healing" would be easier for 99% of people to get behind and wouldn't come off elietist. Where as "healers are ez mode" yea u can see how it comes off

The problem is that there is just more than one problem and different people push back against different things

For example, you tend to lean towards “nerfing tank sustain is fine” whereas I’ve debated others who said I’m not so many words “I’ll only support you if you don’t nerf any other role to achieve what you want”

Different facets of healer design have different problems for different people and proposed fixes anger different people, for example the tank forum would rather rip you apart than consider WAR’s healing is overtuned

They won't add complexity to healers rotations. I'd give that dream up now. If they did theyde alienate casuals from the role even further. Its probably better to demand a change to tanks instead aswell as more heal checks

Which we have also had people on this thread tell us “healing checks will make the casuals abandon the role you are better off asking for more DPS”

[sindriiisgaming]

Because there is more than one problem with healer job design. It's not just tank self sustain. It's not just glarespam. Both is a problem and the combine to make an even worse problem: it's boring for people across all skill levels.



Half of you call the strikers casual scrubs who should play harder content before speaking and half of you call them elitist scum who just want to gatekeep dungeons? Why dont you organize?

Because of 2 reasons. 1 those of us being toxic like that aren't trying to inact real change. So we don't have a horse in the race.

2. Quite simply I cannot controll the behaviour of people who are still in school. Nor should I be expected to

[sindriiisgaming]

The problem is that there is just more than one problem and different people push back against different things

For example, you tend to lean towards “nerfing tank sustain is fine” whereas I’ve debated others who said I’m not so many words “I’ll only support you if you don’t nerf any other role to achieve what you want”

Different facets of healer design have different problems for different people and proposed fixes anger different people, for example the tank forum would rather rip you apart than consider WAR’s healing is overtuned



Which we have also had people on this thread tell us “healing checks will make the casuals abandon the role you are better off asking for more DPS”

That's because shb spoiled healers by giving them nothing to heal. Endwalker only made it worse. So now the healers are unwilling to adjust back to being about healing instead of dpsing. Where as 99% of mmo on the market will ask healers to heal and barley give them dps kits

[Saraide]

Somehow giving healers a more complex damage rotation will alienate casuals but higher heal checks wont despite it being nearly impossible to wipe to a lack of damage dealt in casual content. Make it make sense.

[sindriiisgaming]

Somehow giving healers a more complex damage rotation will alienate casuals but higher heal checks wont despite it being nearly impossible to wipe to a lack of damage dealt in casual content. Make it make sense.

It's actually far from impossible. Maybe I'm just the *casual* here. But so far the dt dungeons heal checks have resulted in a LOT of wipes from either myself the healer deing. Or having nobody to share stack damage with. I think the new dungeon design is doing it ls job tbh and I would not say healers are obsolete in there. Perhaps in the future. But them there will still be the newer dungeons to do where they WONT be usless.

[Supersnow845]

That's because shb spoiled healers by giving them nothing to heal. Endwalker only made it worse. So now the healers are unwilling to adjust back to being about healing instead of dpsing. Where as 99% of mmo on the market will ask healers to heal and barley give them dps kits

There is only slightly more damage in DT because of gear, people also did dead ends and haedalyn ex and declared healers fixed in EW. We all know where that went

And these days I can’t think of an MMO with a hard trinity that doesn’t encourage healers to DPS

[Saraide]

It's actually far from impossible. Maybe I'm just the *casual* here. But so far the dt dungeons heal checks have resulted in a LOT of wipes from either myself the healer deing. Or having nobody to share stack damage with. I think the new dungeon design is doing it ls job tbh and I would not say healers are obsolete in there. Perhaps in the future. But them there will still be the newer dungeons to do where they WONT be usless.

Yes it's possible to wipe from receiving too much damage. That's what I'm saying. It's not possible to lack due to a lack of healer dps. So why is giving healers a more complex damage rotation gakekeeping casuals but increasing heal checks, which you advocate for, not