#FFXIVHEALERSTRIKE

[Reinha]

....you know...and this is just a thought....as difficult as it would be to accomplish. Could organize a mass refund of DawnTrail pre orders.

hit them where it hurts to be heard. since they CLEARLY don't read our complaints in the forums. that have been being made for YEARS. ...stop giving them money. cancel the thousands of preorders. they WILL take notice of thousands of dollars suddenly being requested back by their player base.


granted this is an incomplete and ...very likely ineffective method. but it was a thought nonetheless.

The point is not to damage Square Enix, but to make them acknowledge the feedback healers have been giving for 5+ years and to show in their metrics what players enjoy, or rather, don't enjoy. The game is still worth every penny if you're a dps/tank player.

I don't think dungeons are meant to be particularly challenging. If you're seeking difficulty and want clearly defined roles, you should focus on Trials or harder content.

Are you saying we should not run roulettes and other DF content as healers if we find it boring and monotonous? Am I getting that right? Because that's the plan.

[Kayokane]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strike_action
"Strike action, also called labor strike, labour strike and industrial action in British English, or simply strike, is a work stoppage caused by the mass refusal of employees to work. A strike usually takes place in response to employee grievances."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boycott
"A boycott is an act of nonviolent, voluntary abstention from a product, person, organization, or country as an expression of protest."

https://www.dictionary.com/e/strike-vs-boycott/
"The key to remembering the difference between boycott and strike is to figure out who is taking action: the consumer or the employee? Workers strike against their employers while consumers opt against financially or physically supporting something as a way of peacefully protesting against it. Consumers boycott."

Healers do not benefit from their own fulfillment of the Healing Slot in a queue, they provide it. In this analogy, Healers are "workers", not "consumers", and the "employer" is SE/CBU3, providing design-incentives for Healers to exchange their time for other benefits (such as EXP, Tomestones or, hypothetically, "fun").

Non-Healer Players "consume" the benefits provided by Healers.

If other Roles refused to group with Healers, that would be a "Healer Boycott".

Actually we are not workers, SE is not our employer, we have no employment contract with SE, and we receive no renumeration for our 'work' as healers.


even if you consider tomes/exp as renumeration, you can argue we are paid to do nothing.

[Twila]

I've seen many people on the healing forums start off being less aggressive and expressing a desire for change "passively" and nothing has changed. However when Scholar lost energy drain and everyone aggressively wrote about how they wanted it back, suddenly it came back. I don't think being passive really works.

As I said in the first part of that post, not all feedback is acted upon. I don't know if there is a way to tell for sure what determines that. (Other than the fact that they announce they will be specifically focusing on the subject.) I'm sure they see it, but they might have other priorities, whether you agree with those priorities or not. I'm not downplaying your criticisms if that's how it came across I apologize.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strike_action
"Strike action, also called labor strike, labour strike and industrial action in British English, or simply strike, is a work stoppage caused by the mass refusal of employees to work. A strike usually takes place in response to employee grievances."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boycott
"A boycott is an act of nonviolent, voluntary abstention from a product, person, organization, or country as an expression of protest."

https://www.dictionary.com/e/strike-vs-boycott/
"The key to remembering the difference between boycott and strike is to figure out who is taking action: the consumer or the employee? Workers strike against their employers while consumers opt against financially or physically supporting something as a way of peacefully protesting against it. Consumers boycott."

Healers do not benefit from their own fulfillment of the Healing Slot in a queue, they provide it. In this analogy, Healers are "workers", not "consumers", and the "employer" is SE/CBU3, providing design-incentives for Healers to exchange their time for other benefits (such as EXP, Tomestones or, hypothetically, "fun").

Non-Healer Players "consume" the benefits provided by Healers.

If other Roles refused to group with Healers, that would be a "Healer Boycott".

Thank you for the clarification, it seems I had them a bit confused.

[Priddy]

I empathize with some of the concerns in this thread, but the mere existence of Duty Support and the fact that the overwhelming majority of healer players aren't browsing the forums or engaging in a strike means this will have effectively no impact whatsoever.

That being said, the sheer size of this thread may being the issue to devs attention at least, even if the strike itself is almost certainly DOA.

[WeakestZenosEnjoyer]

Actually we are not workers, SE is not our employer, we have no employment contract with SE, and we receive no renumeration for our 'work' as healers.

In real world money, no, but in game currency we do. "In-Need" bonuses and the benefit of short queues.

A boycott is withholding money by refusing to pay for the service, which isn't the plan (though some people definitely are anyway) we're just not performing the healer "job" anymore. You can argue neither fit but it's definitely not a boycott.

[Flay_wind]

I empathize with some of the concerns in this thread, but the mere existence of Duty Support and the fact that the overwhelming majority of healer players aren't browsing the forums or engaging in a strike means this will have effectively no impact whatsoever.

That being said, the sheer size of this thread may being the issue to devs attention at least, even if the strike itself is almost certainly DOA.

Duty Support is a complete ass. Trusts do not AoE, so pulls take a lot of time than a regular group.
Trusts healers are also very bad at their job, like unless you're a WAR and doing W2W pulls you are in a very real danger of just dying because Alphi or Urianger are too busy twiddling their thumbs.
Forcing W2W on Trusts as a DPS is also pretty dangerous since you yourself run the risk of just being auto'd to death before Thancred manages to peel the mobs off you. It is doable, and i'd say it's actually fun, but you really need to know how to do that efficiently. Also you do run into potential issue of Trusts not being able to handle said W2W.
if you somehow mess up and die, it immediately boots you to the start.

[ZephyrMenodora]

I empathize with some of the concerns in this thread, but the mere existence of Duty Support and the fact that the overwhelming majority of healer players aren't browsing the forums or engaging in a strike means this will have effectively no impact whatsoever.

That being said, the sheer size of this thread may being the issue to devs attention at least, even if the strike itself is almost certainly DOA.

Saw on Twitter a lot of people laughing about how ridiculous they find the strike, others saying they never even heard about it. Most of the XIV playerbase avoids coming here.

Even though I support healers becoming more interesting and upvoted this, I have no intentions on striking myself. If I feel like healing I will, if I don't - I won't.

Healing has been uninspiring for so long that I lost any emotional investment in it for the most part. #DeadInside

[XiaoShengwu]

The point is not to damage Square Enix, but to make them acknowledge the feedback healers have been giving for 5+ years and to show in their metrics what players enjoy, or rather, don't enjoy. The game is still worth every penny if you're a dps/tank player.

Oh i 100% agree. I've played since mid 2014 on multiple characters & accounts, having finally landed on this one and i've mained healer the entire time up until recently. I don't want to damage Square enix either...however, this is an issue that as you yourself have correctly stated, is 5+ years in the making. i believe that someone else above stated it expertly when they said:

I've seen many people on the healing forums start off being less aggressive and expressing a desire for change "passively" and nothing has changed. However when Scholar lost energy drain and everyone aggressively wrote about how they wanted it back, suddenly it came back. I don't think being passive really works.

....-gestures sidelong at quote-...
5+ years is too long for the select group of players on the job that is BY GAME DESIGN, is supposed to be some of the most engaged players on the game, to be heard. The quality of healing has decreased DRAMATICALLY since i started playing in ARR. HW introduced Astro, which brought in a very diverse method of healing. which immediately was squashed. Then cleric stance was removed in SHB (though my memory is fuzzy and is wear it was removed in SB. i could just be suffering from early onset alzhiemerz). I've watched the job i loved playing, drop further and further down on the priority list of being kept relevant. I do not enjoy playing it anymore. i have every healer at 90 and i can't be bothered to play it anymore because it's dull, boring and underappreciated by the very people who put it in the game. Being told, "play harder content", feels like a slap in the face. I shouldn't have to. Just as those who enjoy the harder content, shouldn't have to hear someone say, "if you want something harder, play something else". There's a middle ground that CAN be achieved, SHOULD have been achieved 2 expansions ago. But hasn't because for those 5+ years. We were passively requesting we be given some adjustment love.

After this long, i don't consider denying this MULTI-BILLION dollar company the majority of their pre-orders income, as damaging. $2.53 billion revenue in 2023, ....and we're still having to beg them to alter some aspects of the game that are affecting part of the game being unenjoyable?

[WeakestZenosEnjoyer]

Duty Support is a complete ass. Trusts do not AoE, so pulls take a lot of time than a regular group.

They actually absorb your DPS contribution by lowering their own damage to make the dungeon take roughly X minutes.

They also really don't cope with multi-pulls well and can't get you into a roulette, it's not a very clean solution.

[ZephyrMenodora]

They actually absorb your DPS contribution by lowering their own damage to make the dungeon take roughly X minutes.

They also really don't cope with multi-pulls well and can't get you into a roulette, it's not a very clean solution.

I think this is a good thing for an MMO. They shouldn't compete with playing with people. Great learning tools, for those who really hate grouping but still want to play an MMO for wahtever reason, or for those who don't have time to wait to start a dungeon.