#FFXIVHEALERSTRIKE

[sindriiisgaming]

It’s like the second point on the first post

Correction it’s literally the first point

Healers aren’t bad, they just look bad compared to a role that’s basically playing with cheat codes on

Yea but the rest of the points and of the people shouting and yelling are because healers 11111 spam. So I think the lack of real conclusively is why the devs will not change anything. When instead just saying "nerf tank healing" would be easier for 99% of people to get behind and wouldn't come off elietist. Where as "healers are ez mode" yea u can see how it comes off

[Saraide]

Yea but the rest of the points and of the people shouting and yelling are because healers 11111 spam. So I think the lack of real conclusively is why the devs will not change anything. When instead just saying "nerf tank healing" would be easier for 99% of people to get behind and wouldn't come off elietist. Where are "healers are ez mode" yea u can see how it comes off

Because there is more than one problem with healer job design. It's not just tank self sustain. It's not just glarespam. Both is a problem and the combine to make an even worse problem: it's boring for people across all skill levels.

What is it they say about assume again?
It makes a something something of something something. Yea. Ur assuming. I did read them and I've been reading this thread for a while. And I'm noticing the complains aren't organised. Half of you want 1 thing half want the other. Because of this inconsistency the devs are unlikely to listen to either

Half of you call the strikers casual scrubs who should play harder content before speaking and half of you call them elitist scum who just want to gatekeep dungeons? Why dont you organize?

[sindriiisgaming]

Because there is more than one problem with healer job design. It's not just tank self sustain. It's not just glarespam. Both is a problem and the combine to make an even worse problem: it's boring for people across all skill levels.

They won't add complexity to healers rotations. I'd give that dream up now. If they did theyde alienate casuals from the role even further. Its probably better to demand a change to tanks instead aswell as more heal checks

[Saraide]

They won't add complexity to healers rotations. I'd give that dream up now. If they did theyde alienate casuals from the role even further. Its probably better to demand a change to tanks instead aswell as more heal checks

So would you say it's best to stop playing healer until something changes?

[sindriiisgaming]

So would you say it's best to stop playing healer until something changes?

No. That's utterly pointless. I personally hate the design of current tanks. But I still play them because I have things I want from the role. However. I'm aware if 99% of people suddenly stopped playing it or leveling it that the dev team would be forced to act. That's what happened to mch after all. But the reason I think it's pointless is because we can almost be 100% sure nothing will change till 8.0

Yes it's possible to wipe from receiving too much damage. That's what I'm saying. It's not possible to lack due to a lack of healer dps. So why is giving healers a more complex damage rotation gakekeeping casuals but increasing heal checks, which you advocate for, not

Bevause healers damage isn't an issue so there's no need to fix it. What a healer should do is heal. Not dps.

There is only slightly more damage in DT because of gear, people also did dead ends and haedalyn ex and declared healers fixed in EW. We all know where that went

And these days I can’t think of an MMO with a hard trinity that doesn’t encourage healers to DPS

None of us could have forseen how stupidly easy endwalker would become after endsinger. Tho it was given away after the 1st dungeon when all the rest had basically NO mecanics

The healers in wow have actual heals they need to do. Sure some of them do them through damage but the heal checks are actually viable

[Saraide]

No. That's utterly pointless. I personally hate the design of current tanks. But I still play them because I have things I want from the role. However. I'm aware if 99% of people suddenly stopped playing it or leveling it that the dev team would be forced to act. That's what happened to mch after all. But the reason I think it's pointless is because we can almost be 100% sure nothing will change till 8.0



Bevause healers damage isn't an issue so there's no need to fix it. What a healer should do is heal. Not dps.

How is increasing heal checks not gatekeeping?

[sindriiisgaming]

How is increasing heal checks not gatekeeping?

The same way increasing dps checks isn't. It's your JOB. You sign up to heal when u play Healer XD. Jus like when I sign up for content as a dps I know ill be expected to dps.

[Supersnow845]

No. That's utterly pointless. I personally hate the design of current tanks. But I still play them because I have things I want from the role. However. I'm aware if 99% of people suddenly stopped playing it or leveling it that the dev team would be forced to act. That's what happened to mch after all. But the reason I think it's pointless is because we can almost be 100% sure nothing will change till 8.0



Bevause healers damage isn't an issue so there's no need to fix it. What a healer should do is heal. Not dps.



None of us could have forseen how stupidly easy endwalker would become after endsinger. Tho it was given away after the 1st dungeon when all the rest had basically NO mecanics

The healers in wow have actual heals they need to do. Sure some of them do them through damage but the heal checks are actually viable

This circles back to my point, I don’t necessarily agree with you but we’ve also spent 300 pages debating people who say that asking for more healing is pointless and you may as well ask for more damage as compensation

I’m saying this in a general way not against you sindri but everyone who has an idea of how to fix the strikes problems only seems to see their solution as the correct one as if we haven’t just spent 10 pages debating with someone who is also 100% sure the opposite solution will actually fix the problem

[sindriiisgaming]

This circles back to my point, I don’t necessarily agree with you but we’ve also spent 300 pages debating people who say that asking for more healing is pointless and you may as well ask for more damage as compensation

I’m saying this in a general way not against you sindri but everyone who has an idea of how to fix the strikes problems only seems to see their solution as the correct one as if we haven’t just spent 10 pages debating with someone who is also 100% sure the opposite solution will actually fix the problem

Putting multiple ideas into the mix isn't a bad thing tho. At least the devs will have many angles to come in from when they do finally do something about it
But personally as far as dt goes I think. What we have rn for healers is OK. We need to give the savages a chance to see how they'll feel. And yea tanks sustain needsa nerf I think at the point ud be pressed to find ppl not agreeing


I've hit my daily limit for today so gl to you all.

[sindriiisgaming]

Because there is more than one problem with healer job design. It's not just tank self sustain. It's not just glarespam. Both is a problem and the combine to make an even worse problem: it's boring for people across all skill levels.



Half of you call the strikers casual scrubs who should play harder content before speaking and half of you call them elitist scum who just want to gatekeep dungeons? Why dont you organize?

Because of 2 reasons. 1 those of us being toxic like that aren't trying to inact real change. So we don't have a horse in the race.

2. Quite simply I cannot controll the behaviour of people who are still in school. Nor should I be expected to