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  1. #6451
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    Punslinger's Avatar
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    Adela Skychaser
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    Lamia
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    Dancer Lv 93
    Quote Originally Posted by Themarvin View Post
    This is ridicoulous it is a videogame as it is, just play as something else.
    That's...why I'm here. /obiwanmeme

    Quote Originally Posted by Valkyrie_ View Post
    In 4 man content when DPS and Tanks make fatal mistakes, they get rezzed and continue on to play, when a healer makes a fatal mistake without a RDM or SMN around they get punished by having to sit in the naughty corner facing the wall, unable to play.

    And I guarantee the solution proposed by DPS/Tank players and probably the Devs, will be to "just give the tanks raise", instead of actually making healers, and the concept of holy trinity relevant.
    It's utterly baffling that they do this, and how they march in absolute lockstep. To a man, the status-quo defense brigade all think that healers should be the FF14 equivalent of letting the slow kid clap the erasers after class so he feels like he's doing something useful. "Can't give healers any complexity, because then people might die. Can't make healers necessary, because then people might die. Only DPSers and tanks can be trusted to clear, so they need to do the healer's job for them, because otherwise people might die."
    (15)
    "Once upon a time, you were the based healer, who could carry any tank through the largest of pulls! Now you're just here because the Duty Finder said you have to be." - Lucy Pyre

  2. #6452
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    Aravell's Avatar
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    J'thaldi Rhid
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    Mateus
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    Machinist Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Punslinger View Post
    It's utterly baffling that they do this, and how they march in absolute lockstep. To a man, the status-quo defense brigade all think that healers should be the FF14 equivalent of letting the slow kid clap the erasers after class so he feels like he's doing something useful. "Can't give healers any complexity, because then people might die. Can't make healers necessary, because then people might die. Only DPSers and tanks can be trusted to clear, so they need to do the healer's job for them, because otherwise people might die."
    "A healer dying and causing the party to fail from lack of healing will cause friction between players", ok.

    But apparently a tank refusing to wipe in new content and forcing everyone to watch them solo the boss from 80% despite being asked to wipe and let the new people learn......doesn't cause friction between players?
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  3. #6453
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    Supersnow845's Avatar
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    Andreas Cestelle
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    Jenova
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    Scholar Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Aravell View Post
    "A healer dying and causing the party to fail from lack of healing will cause friction between players", ok.

    But apparently a tank refusing to wipe in new content and forcing everyone to watch them solo the boss from 80% despite being asked to wipe and let the new people learn......doesn't cause friction between players?
    While I’m 99.9% playing PCT and refusing to queue as a healer I did relent once and helped my friend who had been sitting in the queue for Sphene for like 4 hours and just wanted to finish the story

    Everyone besides me and the 2 tanks died during her “clusterfuck” phase and from there the tank wasted the LB3 then both were actively trying to get me killed from then on till I could get the rest of the party up

    At this point the tanks are actively trying to solo the boss without the rest of the party
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    As a healer main in this game for nigh on 14 years all I can say is that I’m tired. My role has been eroded of complexity and expression for 3 expansions. I’ve watched the tanks do my role for me for 2 expansions and my feedback and critiques continue to fall on deaf ears.

    I have no idea who modern healers are designed for but I know now it’s not me. This is the first expansion I’m truly considering dropping the healer role and not returning, so if that was the goal- congratulations I guess

  4. #6454
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    Quote Originally Posted by Supersnow845 View Post
    While I’m 99.9% playing PCT and refusing to queue as a healer I did relent once and helped my friend who had been sitting in the queue for Sphene for like 4 hours and just wanted to finish the story

    Everyone besides me and the 2 tanks died during her “clusterfuck” phase and from there the tank wasted the LB3 then both were actively trying to get me killed from then on till I could get the rest of the party up

    At this point the tanks are actively trying to solo the boss without the rest of the party
    As some arrogant tank mains would say:

    "Sounds like a skill issue", amirite?
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  5. #6455
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    Tunda King
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    Black Mage Lv 100
    I played healer in dungeon 3 times and slept 3 times while in dungeon..
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  6. #6456
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    Burning Wrath
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    Kraken
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    Samurai Lv 74
    The healer strike is going really well.

    (1)

  7. #6457
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    Quote Originally Posted by Brian25 View Post
    The healer strike is going really well.

    And as has been explained 10,000 times AIN defaults to tank, queue for the those, you’ll get a 30 second-5 minute queue on tank and it’ll pop instantly on healer

    It’s because the game only checks tanks before it checks healers, if there is 30 groups that need a healer and 1 group out of that 30 also needs a tank the game will show tanks in need
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    As a healer main in this game for nigh on 14 years all I can say is that I’m tired. My role has been eroded of complexity and expression for 3 expansions. I’ve watched the tanks do my role for me for 2 expansions and my feedback and critiques continue to fall on deaf ears.

    I have no idea who modern healers are designed for but I know now it’s not me. This is the first expansion I’m truly considering dropping the healer role and not returning, so if that was the goal- congratulations I guess

  8. #6458
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    Brian25's Avatar
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    Burning Wrath
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    Quote Originally Posted by Supersnow845 View Post
    And as has been explained 10,000 times AIN defaults to tank, queue for the those, you’ll get a 30 second-5 minute queue on tank and it’ll pop instantly on healer

    It’s because the game only checks tanks before it checks healers, if there is 30 groups that need a healer and 1 group out of that 30 also needs a tank the game will show tanks in need
    I tested and queued as a healer and waited 3 minutes before getting in, tried as a tank and it was instant.

    So much for your strike.
    (4)
    Hates Lalas.

  9. #6459
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    Autechre Voidmoon
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    Midgardsormr
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    Sage Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by Brian25 View Post
    I tested and queued as a healer and waited 3 minutes before getting in, tried as a tank and it was instant.

    So much for your strike.
    Pack it up, boys. Brian25, who doesn't know how the duty finder selects adventurer in need said that he totally had to wait 3 minutes when he queued as a level 35 healer.
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  10. #6460
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    Noah Orih
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    Faerie
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    Sage Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by Brian25 View Post
    I tested and queued as a healer and waited 3 minutes before getting in, tried as a tank and it was instant.

    So much for your strike.
    Regardless of what is or isn't true about the AIN system, queueing once them immediately making a global conclusion is actually the most foolish way to validate any information regarding the situation.

    "The traffic on this road is terrible!"

    "Well I drove on it once at 3 AM and there was no one on the road. So much for your so called traffic."

    But also, not the point of the thread anyway.
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