#FFXIVHEALERSTRIKE

[PercibelTheren]

The JP community doesnt have a problem with healers or their design. Their solution to if you dont like how healers are or want more dps buttons then go play a dps job. And the answer to if you want more incoming damage go play ultimate. To where your gameplay loop at lower level and casual content up to savage can be solely dependent on other players messing up.

The JP community isn't a monolith. There are healers there who would like to actually have something to heal, just like here. Not to mention, they're maybe a third of the playerbase if we're being generous. And before you say "but SE listens to them" let me assure you they do not. We keep saying it on the English forums but the Japanese forums say SE only listen to EN.

As has been explained many times before, healing doesn't become harder in Savage. It's only fun during prog before you memorise the fight, then it's right back to spamming your one DPS button and waiting for the boss to cast an extremely infrequent raidwide. But that whole argument is stupid anyway because what you're saying is that you're fine with the vast majority of content being painfully boring for most people.

[Supersnow845]

The devs aren’t really listening to JP either because their problem with healers is they don’t have enough to heal and they don’t feel like actual healers

That’s a different problem than the majority of the feedback on our forums (we want SB healers) but they also aren’t really being catered to besides their weird insistence that healers have to be the easy role

[TheDustyOne]

The devs aren’t really listening to JP either because their problem with healers is they don’t have enough to heal and they don’t feel like actual healers

That’s a different problem than the majority of the feedback on our forums (we want SB healers) but they also aren’t really being catered to besides their weird insistence that healers have to be the easy role

It really does make me wonder where they get their feedback from at this point. JP complains that we're the ones being listened to, while we keep saying that JP is the one being listened to. Part of me thinks it may be closer to Reddit or Twitter instead. Reddit has a bad habit of downvoting negative opinions off of the subreddit to the point that the feedback just simply doesn't exist, leaving only positive results, while Twitter is more concerned with GPosing, screenshots, clubs/venues, etc. (at least from what I've seen of Twitter FFXIV). If those are the ones they're listening to, it's no wonder we're in this situation, but I can't really say definitely if those 2 places are their primary audience at this point.

[Enjuden]

I have friends who are healer main like Sage, scholar etc and they don't mind the changes. They will still play the role because they like the job that they play. In terms of mashing glare/malefic/broil/ dosis etc. I mean i don't know.... do you healers want a midare setsugekka or spam fire 4 like a black mage and stressing over timers? I think spamming a skill is just part of the norm. Because at the end of the day. Clearing content is the end goal.

I really hate it when people deliberately miss the point either because of trolling or just deciding that sidestepping like a politician will somehow make people believe they are right.

Let's make it very simple. Use only Hakaze to kill 10 mobs. Was that boring? Okay, now imagine doing this from level 50 to level 100, where none of your abilities ever matter outside of Savage/Ultimate. That is the problem.

[Supersnow845]

It really does make me wonder where they get their feedback from at this point. JP complains that we're the ones being listened to, while we keep saying that JP is the one being listened to. Part of me thinks it may be closer to Reddit or Twitter instead. Reddit has a bad habit of downvoting negative opinions off of the subreddit to the point that the feedback just simply doesn't exist, leaving only positive results, while Twitter is more concerned with GPosing, screenshots, clubs/venues, etc. (at least from what I've seen of Twitter FFXIV). If those are the ones they're listening to, it's no wonder we're in this situation, but I can't really say definitely if those 2 places are their primary audience at this point.

I mean reddit probably has the nuanced view of all listening posts if you factor in all it’s subreddits that actually generate discussion (so mainsub, shitpost and discussion)

I just wouldn’t be surprised if they look at mainsub only they get the ideas they do

Though also to be fair even mainsub was not happy with the beige nothing changes the jobs got in DT

[Isala]

I mean reddit probably has the nuanced view of all listening posts if you factor in all it’s subreddits that actually generate discussion (so mainsub, shitpost and discussion)

I just wouldn’t be surprised if they look at mainsub only they get the ideas they do

Though also to be fair even mainsub was not happy with the beige nothing changes the jobs got in DT

Man, you know you screwed up when even mainsub can't defend you. Daaaaaang.

[Amity_Roji]

we do not need to know how to fix the problem in order to know that there is one.

Uh , you do, actually.

A weaver is on a boat. He sees a hole in the boat and it's taking on water.

"Hey Captain, the boat is sinking!"
"Well, do you know how to fix it?"
"No."
"The boat isn't sinking then. Shut up."

That's you. That's what you sound like.

[Striker44]

Let's make it very simple. Use only Hakaze to kill 10 mobs. Was that boring? Okay, now imagine doing this from level 50 to level 100, where none of your abilities ever matter outside of Savage/Ultimate. That is the problem.

Except this isn't the case in casual gameplay. I've been doing most of the roulettes as heals the past couple days, with random, typical players, and I'm healing a lot. Typical tank doing the typical 2-pack pull would probably drop dead at least half the time if I didn't actively heal. Heck, I've had to break out the whole kit sometimes, not to mention when DPS (and sometimes myself) stop paying attention to our footing and stand in bad places. I feel like the "problem" is that for many of us, the community we interact with grows smaller and ends up only including people of similar experience and skill as us, and then of course things seem easy. But that's not the norm for the typical player doing the typical DF run, and that's what needs to be taken into account from a design perspective.

[ty_taurus]

Except this isn't the case in casual gameplay. I've been doing most of the roulettes as heals the past couple days, with random, typical players, and I'm healing a lot.

Is it possible that you're just bad at healing?

[Azurarok]

tbf healers only get punished if the team is doing well so there's no incentive to heal better.