#FFXIVHEALERSTRIKE

[CaptainLagbeard]

Tanks aren’t obsolete for the single reason that in casual content they are the only ones who can effortlessly hold all agro and function without the other roles

In a dungeon a 1T3D is infinitely preferable to 1h3d and in a raid 4t4d is better than 4h4d

I would like to see someone try to do a dungeon with a DRK and 3 DPS (without RDM for Vercure) to show that Tanks aren't obsolete, and it's not that WAR or PLD can double as a healer.

Alternatively, if you wanted to see if they indeed are, you could try to pull off doing a dungeon with 4 RDM, if I am correct they should be able to just facetank the boss and Vercure each other back up.

[Rein_eon_Osborne]

I would like to see someone try to do a dungeon with a DRK and 3 DPS (without RDM for Vercure) to show that Tanks aren't obsolete.

Alternatively, if you wanted to see if they indeed are, you could try to pull off doing a dungeon with 4 RDM, if I am correct they should be able to just facetank the boss and Vercure each other back up.

part 1 - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eCy-PkLgZ68
part 2 - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zttiIWIZsaA

I have wrote this somewhere before that explains the tl;dr of these two vids:

That 1DRK + 3DPS endeavor was run with MINE in the following duties:

1. Holminster Switch - no completion time data.
2. Amaurot - 15:58
3. Bardam's Mettle - 14:57
4. The Tower of Zot - 22:03 (wipe once on last boss, cleared in 2nd pull)
5. Dohn Mheg - 15:17 (also no interrupt/interject used on Fuath)
6. Mt. Gulg - 15:36 (with first megapull of 5 packs & last megapull, NO wipes on both.)
7. Shisui of the Violet Tides - 12:30 (wipe once on megapull after 1st boss)
8. Doma Castle - 15:39 (wipe once on megapull after 1st boss)
9. The Qitana Ravel - 20:25 (wipe once on last megapull)

All of these dungeons are filled with more commonly known "hard to heal by DF healer"-pulls. Again, with MINE active. It's not a situation you'll realistically see in daily DF runs - that's the equivalent of not wearing all gears obtained from first playthrough of MSQ on all 4 participants. It was far from a series of perfect runs. That low of a collective HPS was all that's needed, let that sink in. It should NOT even be a thing ideally.

[Striker44]

As a samurai you don’t press a single button more than 20% of the time in savage

We can press broil up to 80% of the time

It isn’t remotely comparable

And BRD isn’t comparable either because BRD has strong buffs and still has an interesting rotation

I agree it's not remotely comparable, but I also don't expect it to be. If I want an involved DPS rotation, I'll...play DPS...I don't play a healer to go through dps rotations; I play a healer to...well...heal...DPS is just filler for me when I heal, so it just being a dot and a spell (either single-target or AoE) is fine by me.

So I think people who are truly unhappy with healer job should change their mindset instead and find ways to make healer job that you play more fun.

Or play other jobs that they find more fun, and let those who enjoy current healer design be the healers. My opposition to the "strike" is their focus on making this all about themselves and trying to fundamentally change the role for other people who are enjoying it when they could just simply switch to something else they find more fun.

Ironically Blizzard has been doing an outstanding job listening to and acting upon feedback the last two years.

Blizzard looked at the data and responded appropriately. Shadowlands was an absolute disaster of an xpac that saw their population plummet. Remember the whole "WoW exodus"? EW, meanwhile, had the highest active playerbase to date for FFXIV at every point along the way (even after the "WoW exodus" subsided). SE is also listening to feedback - just feedback from everyone through the myriad data gathering they do rather than selectively listening to the minuscule few of us that post on the forums. Blizzard had a problem they needed to solve. SE has a game still on an upward trajectory.

That’s our exact point where are you “busy keeping the party alive”, the tank is immortal in casual content

Not when you play random roulettes with random, typical players. If you play with people who are sufficiently expert in skill at the game, then yes, casual content will be a cakewalk no matter what you bring, but play typical runs with typical players, and healers typically will need to do quite a bit of active healing to keep the party alive. That's the exact point that seems to be missed and leads to frustration.

I would like to see someone try to do a dungeon with a DRK and 3 DPS (without RDM for Vercure) to show that Tanks aren't obsolete, and it's not that WAR or PLD can double as a healer.

I would like to see a group of random, average players do this. There is no doubt in my mind a group of veteran streamers who have min-maxed the heck out of the game could take a party of anything and clear a dungeon. That would also be completely meaningless for the typical player. When random players of moderate skill can consistently pull off something like what you suggest, then I'd start arguing there's an issue.

[Supersnow845]

Striker proves with quote 2 he still doesn’t understand what the strike is actually about

I’m already gone from healers, they are dead and buried, I’m a PCT main now because the game doesn’t even ask the bare minimum from a competent healer

The other roles seem to understand floors and ceilings but not the healers and that’s why I’m done with them. I shouldnt reach my jobs ceiling by figuring out cure 1 isn’t optimal

[Rein_eon_Osborne]

Yo dude, no need to get sarcastic. I can smell the salt all the way from Turliyollal lol. Sure midare spam is much less than the healers but I spam glare/malefic/broil/dosis when I play healers too and it's fine because I'm more concerned/busy of keeping the party alive than which color is my parse is going to be to after the clear. But hey you do you, living that salt life can be fun I guess...?

Dw about that. We were perpetually given white robes because they're made of salt. It's given

Jokes aside, comparing "midare spam" to "glaroilficosis spam" just falls flat considering you just... don't... "spam midare". In fact you even press your Hissatsu: Shinten more than anything in your hotbar except perhaps Kasha. Say if you really do spam Midare, how many GCDs you need to spend before you can execute Midare? 8 GCDs. That's 9 GCDs split into 3 Kashas, 5 other combo'd buttons and 1 Iaijutsu. Ignoring two other Iaijutsus grants you 2.5(?) Midares per minute. Now compare that to Glaroilficosis - 22 casts of them with only 2 reserved for DoT refresh. Heals? What heals are we throwing? Too many normal contents can be healed by just keeping Assize on cooldown, letting Eos spams embrace, Earthly Star on cd, & SGE for simply existing, not including the amount of collective HPS the non-healers can put out. Zero GCD heals are achievable everywhere outside early progs, ults, & perhaps up to regular 3rd/4th floor of savages - what do you think we do when all of these aren't needed? More Glaroilficosis, 70%-90% of times. No other jobs in this game has this spread of button uses so lopsided to one.single.button.

Don't you see now how hard it was to take your words seriously with that comparison?

[CaptainLagbeard]

part 1 - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eCy-PkLgZ68
part 2 - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zttiIWIZsaA

I have wrote this somewhere before that explains the tl;dr of these two vids:

Those are pretty far from normal dungeon run times... If it was purely a case of heals not being needed, it should be faster than a normal 1t, 1h, 2d run at Min ilvl (dungeons don't have echo) because you're replacing the lower damage healer with a DPS.

[SoloD007]

Dw about that. We were perpetually given white robes because they're made of salt. It's given

Jokes aside, comparing "midare spam" to "glaroilficosis spam" just falls flat considering you just... don't... "spam midare". In fact you even press your Hissatsu: Shinten more than anything in your hotbar except perhaps Kasha. Say if you really do spam Midare, how many GCDs you need to spend before you can execute Midare? 8 GCDs. That's 9 GCDs split into 3 Kashas, 5 other combo'd buttons and 1 Iaijutsu. Ignoring two other Iaijutsus grants you 2.5(?) Midares per minute. Now compare that to Glaroilficosis - 22 casts of them with only 2 reserved for DoT refresh. Heals? What heals are we throwing? Too many normal contents can be healed by just keeping Assize on cooldown, letting Eos spams embrace, Earthly Star on cd, & SGE for simply existing, not including the amount of collective HPS the non-healers can put out. Zero GCD heals are achievable everywhere outside early progs, ults, & perhaps up to regular 3rd/4th floor of savages - what do you think we do when all of these aren't needed? More Glaroilficosis, 70%-90% of times. No other jobs in this game has this spread of button uses so lopsided to one.single.button.

Don't you see now how hard it was to take your words seriously with that comparison?

Even if i spam hissatsu: shinten and those ogcd every 60s or 120s. I end up having to cast midare or in this case in DT its tendo - setsugekka. But the fact is that I have to worry about uptime, DoT timer etc etc. Also I'm essentially just spamming a rotation that I started off with my opener. So it's gets busy and I enjoy it. Although I have all my healers currently chilling at lvl 90, I don't usually play healers and it's not because it's not fun or what not (because playing a healer is hella busy too). It's because I like to play a more "up in your face" style of gameplay. Even if SE nerfed samurai to the ground, I'll still stick to playing samurai because I enjoy playing the role and another reason I like playing samurai is because the real life history and culture behind the role so it has meaning when I play. This can be said to all the other jobs including healers such as white mage, You can incorporate fictional characters from anime, movie or books into it and create a better experience. My point is it not a skill or a button that determines how fun a job is. It's your mentality on how you look at the job you playing. If you truly believe and like the job you are playing then regardless what changes is made, you'll still be having fun.

P.S: I also enjoy playing DRK and RPR because the dark concept and story behind it, i find it really cool and the job skill animation look cool as well. I don't play as much as samurai but it's like the 2 and 3 job/role I'll choose when I start feeling a bit tedious "spamming" my samurai rotation.

[ryouma17]

seems the healer strike was a bust i've had no problems finding groups since dawntrail launched

[SargeTheSeagull]

Also if Blizzard is doing an outstanding job at their game, I'm not sure why you are here complaining about healing job/roles when WoW seems like a better option to you. Because in my opinion. Healers in hard content are always busy. They don't seem bored at all. So I'm not sure what you are doing as a healer.

Because I want to play final fantasy XIV. And no, healers are engaged the first time doing a given piece of content. Once you know when damage is going to happen you’re back to spamming 12111111111111. The only exception is when you’re in a group with people who are really bad at the game.

My fun as a healer shouldn’t be restricted to day 1, progression, or when in groups with exceptionally bad players. Healers should be fun no matter what.

[KitiaraIornsight]

seems the healer strike was a bust i've had no problems finding groups since dawntrail launched

Because people here refuse to believe they are a minority and it’s hilarious they thought they could impact launch since the 8 man trials are on trust