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    Quote Originally Posted by Supersnow845 View Post
    That’s the thing we don’t all agree, and to me the original post makes that pretty clear. This is first and foremost an attempt to draw attention to our complaints. We don’t agree on the fix, that’s fine, we agree on the fact that we are sick of being ignored by the devs
    The original post refers to itself as "a collective voice" for healer players.

    But it isn't. There are those who only agree with some of the things listed, while others don't agree with any of them. Several players who do still enjoy healing in game keep being insulted and belittled as "not real healers" or "fake healer mains" by certain participants/strike supporters. You can't claim to be speaking for all healer players while being rude and condescending to a large number of them. A true collective voice would address their side of things and try to find compromise that everyone could enjoy.

    And again, that manifesto being too vague doesn't help at all. It shouldn't be treating Dark Knights like they have the same self sustain as Warriors. It shouldn't be treating Second Wind's 120s cooldown like a genuine threat to a regular GCD heal. These conflations only comes off as a lack of understanding of various job kits outside of their main healers.

    If your complaints fail to come off as well thought out and cohesive, everyone - including devs - are going to fail to understand them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Morgana96 View Post
    everyone - including devs - are going to fail to understand them.
    Sounds like it might be a you thing? idk!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pandurah View Post
    Sounds like it might be a you thing? idk!
    Thanks for this reply because this is a perfect example of what I was talking about lol.

    Automatically, you took a condescending "it's just you" tone with me, treating me as an outsider, even though I regularly play all four healers and this is an opinion I've seen voiced throughout FFXIV social media. This is one of the reasons why so many people are brushing several of you guys off as "assholes being assholes". Instead of elaborating on why you disagree or explaining your reasoning step by step with the abilities you have issue with, you jumped straight to a attitude which reads as "your opinion doesn't matter, so shut up".

    It alienates you from those you're trying to convince of your plight almost immediately.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Morgana96 View Post
    Thanks for this reply because this is a perfect example of what I was talking about lol.

    Automatically, you took a condescending "it's just you" tone with me, treating me as an outsider, even though I regularly play all four healers and this is an opinion I've seen voiced throughout FFXIV social media. This is one of the reasons why so many people are brushing several of you guys off as "assholes being assholes". Instead of elaborating on why you disagree or explaining your reasoning step by step with the abilities you have issue with, you jumped straight to a attitude which reads as "your opinion doesn't matter, so shut up".

    It alienates you from those you're trying to convince of your plight almost immediately.
    To be fair, the person they were replying to was being unnecessarily snarky
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rolder50 View Post
    To be fair, the person they were replying to was being unnecessarily snarky
    You mean me? I'm not trying to being snarky at all, honestly. Genuinely not sure where you're getting that from.

    All I'm saying is that it often takes strong persuasive arguments to convince people to get behind causes like this, and that petty insults and condescending tones will usually get you the opposite results of what you want. You can claim I'm being "unnecessarily snarky" if you want, but all I really did was list out why that manifesto is incomplete and how certain participants' tones/behavior actually hinder their efforts in the long run.
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