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    Quote Originally Posted by Supersnow845 View Post
    That was from HW, it is no longer remotely mathematically possible to do that
    So you think Yoshi-P just turned and went "make these terrible DPS players suffer now." No.

    Their design decisions have not changed, you can even see that on the third party site, the Healer's combined, can never contribute more than 10% of damage. The numbers are exactly the same as they were 7 years ago.

    More to the point, if they intended the healer to DPS, the gap would be wider so you could not clear the content unless everyone was overgeared, including the healers.
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    Quote Originally Posted by KisaiTenshi View Post
    So you think Yoshi-P just turned and went "make these terrible DPS players suffer now." No.

    Their design decisions have not changed, you can even see that on the third party site, the Healer's combined, can never contribute more than 10% of damage. The numbers are exactly the same as they were 7 years ago.
    And the enrages are far tighter now than they were in coils

    Day 1 week 1 even week 10 you cannot zero DPS on a healer and clear anything with an enrage it is simply not possible
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    As a healer main in this game for nigh on 14 years all I can say is that I’m tired. My role has been eroded of complexity and expression for 3 expansions. I’ve watched the tanks do my role for me for 2 expansions and my feedback and critiques continue to fall on deaf ears.

    I have no idea who modern healers are designed for but I know now it’s not me. This is the first expansion I’m truly considering dropping the healer role and not returning, so if that was the goal- congratulations I guess

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    Quote Originally Posted by Supersnow845 View Post
    And the enrages are far tighter now than they were in coils

    Day 1 week 1 even week 10 you cannot zero DPS on a healer and clear anything with an enrage it is simply not possible
    Because you are not supposed to be able to clear it before you have the minimum gear they designed it around. What "Week 1 clears" are, is cheesing the gear requirement, not a requirement for the healer to DPS. Do the math. If the two healers only contribute 10% of the DPS, and the 5 DPS players combined (Assuming they are all BLM) contribute 75%, that tracks with the "detuning it 15% at ilevel". You do not need the healer DPS to clear it, you need the healer DPS to cheese it without waiting until your static has gear to overcome it.

    Asking for "healer DPS" to be required is basically asking that week 1 clears be forever impossible. Nobody will clear the content for two months because they can only get one piece of gear per week.
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    Quote Originally Posted by KisaiTenshi View Post
    Because you are not supposed to be able to clear it before you have the minimum gear they designed it around. What "Week 1 clears" are, is cheesing the gear requirement, not a requirement for the healer to DPS. Do the math. If the two healers only contribute 10% of the DPS, and the 5 DPS players combined (Assuming they are all BLM) contribute 75%, that tracks with the "detuning it 15% at ilevel". You do not need the healer DPS to clear it, you need the healer DPS to cheese it without waiting until your static has gear to overcome it.

    Asking for "healer DPS" to be required is basically asking that week 1 clears be forever impossible. Nobody will clear the content for two months because they can only get one piece of gear per week.
    The enrages are tuned to week 1 savage with no gear not when you already have as much BIS as you can have for the floor you are on

    They don’t go “okay let’s tune floor 3’s enrage to assuming that all DPS have floor 1 and 2’s gear and a lot of tomestone gear and the healers are doing no damage” they tune the enrages as “okay let’s assume everyone is in crafter min ilvl and the healers are contributing about 15% of the raids DPS”
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    As a healer main in this game for nigh on 14 years all I can say is that I’m tired. My role has been eroded of complexity and expression for 3 expansions. I’ve watched the tanks do my role for me for 2 expansions and my feedback and critiques continue to fall on deaf ears.

    I have no idea who modern healers are designed for but I know now it’s not me. This is the first expansion I’m truly considering dropping the healer role and not returning, so if that was the goal- congratulations I guess