#FFXIVHEALERSTRIKE

[S4M4EL]

wait wait thats not fair, they also got a brand new shiny .....healing button to go with their shiny bahamut.

I can't with the glamazon Bahamut and his tantalizing definitely much needed healing ability

Ty devs

[AutumnsHollow]

I saw that the reason they don’t allow sage dots to stack is because of JP feedback. Reasons like too much of a hassle to keep up, range is too narrow (hello fluid aura from ARR and heavensward), feels clunky, etc. That they prefer brain dead dps rotation so they can focus on healing.

It’s extremely disappointing. But also what healing do they want to focus on?? In current endwalker in top I don’t even use gcd healing till P3 and that’s while the boss is untargetable mind you. And that’s in an ultimate fight. I barely gcd healed anything in top. The only content that surprisingly forced me to gcd heal was criterion savage. No not savage raids and not ultimate.

So again what healing do they want to focus on? Maybe JP healers are just very inefficient. Or at least the vocal ones on their forums. Maybe even dare I say it, bad? Otherwise I must be playing a different game where healing needs to be focused on.

Hopefully this gets fixed in dawntrail otherwise yay….another two years of spamming the same button. What engaging gameplay! But I sincerely doubt it. They’d have to fix encounter design to actually make us gcd heal and I don’t see them doing that.

We have too many ogcd heals in our kits and frankly they’re too strong. I don’t see anything in this game requiring seraphisim from scholar to heal through. That skill is so broken. The only time that would actually get used to its full effect is if your cohealer is dead, and there’s an almaghest mechanic happening that doesn’t require a body check. But with how many body check mechanics are in the game recently I doubt even then the scholar could save the run.

The constant body checks also uniquely affect healers in a negative fashion. Healers are the fixers of the group. It stops us from having a chance to pick up the pieces to fix the problem. It cuts off a gameplay element that healers can engage in. There’s only a few instances in savage and ultimate where you can actually raise someone and still continue the fight and those windows are very tight.


But hopefully, maybe something will change in dawntrail. I sincerely doubt it though.

[KitiaraIornsight]

Not true. The purpose of the claim was to debuke the idea that somehow this thread being over 500 pages must somehow represent a large portion of the the gaming demographic. Thus pinpointing the fact that 360 people liking the post out of a 257k daily player audience clearly indicates there is no way to say that for certain. Judging by this thread alone (which again was also the parameters used to support a larger viewpoint due to it's 500 page length), we have 0.001% of the audience supporting said ideology.

Don't bother Kira, those striking are absolutely 10000% convinced their views are the majority view of the player base that plays heals that they certainly don't listen when healer mains like myself say otherwise. They also seem to think that the echo chamber that is the overall dumpster fire of these forums represents the whole sum total majority view of the playerbase when MOST players never step foot in here and it only tends to be the loudest complainers that post feedback.

[Isala]

Don't bother Kira, those striking are absolutely 10000% convinced their views are the majority view of the player base that plays heals that they certainly don't listen when healer mains like myself say otherwise. They also seem to think that the echo chamber that is the overall dumpster fire of these forums represents the whole sum total majority view of the playerbase when MOST players never step foot in here and it only tends to be the loudest complainers that post feedback.

Even if it was true that the "Majority" of people are okay with healers, literally any election ever has proven why trusting the majority to make an intelligent decision about things that affect them is often a bad idea. That's also ignoring just how many people have given up and just stopped playing XIV in general because of how trash the healers are. They're not going to be here talking about the game. They're busy actually enjoying literally anything else that doesn't make them depressed.

[aiqa]

Not true. The purpose of the claim was to debuke the idea that somehow this thread being over 500 pages must somehow represent a large portion of the the gaming demographic. Thus pinpointing the fact that 360 people liking the post out of a 257k daily player audience clearly indicates there is no way to say that for certain. Judging by this thread alone (which again was also the parameters used to support a larger viewpoint due to it's 500 page length), we have 0.001% of the audience supporting said ideology.

Any attempts at pinpointing my topic as indicating the audience as a whole is shifting the message, especially since this thread would largely be representative of those falling within the 367 people that supports the OP's message.

The purpose of a claim doesn't make the claim true or false. And doens't change the meaning of the words used to make a the claim. And people not posting on the forums doesn't prove anything. That doens't prove they either agree, or disagree.

You know it's alright to admit you made a mistake (even if was very silly to make the same mistake you are accusing others of, in the very same post), and that it wasn't your intent to make assumptions about opinions of the wider FF playerbase. Doubling down in such an obvious logial falacy doesn't give credit to any of your opinions.

[CrimsonGunner]

Don't bother Kira, those striking are absolutely 10000% convinced their views are the majority view of the player base that plays heals that they certainly don't listen when healer mains like myself say otherwise. They also seem to think that the echo chamber that is the overall dumpster fire of these forums represents the whole sum total majority view of the playerbase when MOST players never step foot in here and it only tends to be the loudest complainers that post feedback.

weird cause most healers are displeased with the changes, your saying your ok with sge dont have double dots in DT in the end?
your claiming based on your view that healers are perfect then everyone else think they ok? cause from being seen alot had their soul taken from the DEVS changes...

you may be right the views are not majority but reality a bit disagree with you.

the fact it got this coverage, many people agree with the core reasons of their strike and wishing healers to be better tells a different story buddy.

maybe not healers will strike but it doesnt mean they dont get the reasons behind it and agree that stuff need to be changed...

[KitiaraIornsight]

weird cause most healers are displeased with the changes, your saying your ok with sge dont have double dots in DT in the end?
your claiming based on your view that healers are perfect then everyone else think they ok? cause from being seen alot had their soul taken from the DEVS changes...

you may be right the views are not majority but reality a bit disagree with you.

the fact it got this coverage, many people agree with the core reasons of their strike and wishing healers to be better tells a different story buddy.

maybe not healers will strike but it doesnt mean they dont get the reasons behind it and agree that stuff need to be changed...

No, I don't care if it has double DOTs or not. I've played other jobs, such as bard who has double dots, and I was thrilled the day they added the magic button that refreshed BOTH DOTs simultaneously because god forbid I get caught even in casual content by try hards that would call someone out for letting a DOT fall off even for .5secs.... so yeah, i'm glad i don't have to manage two DOTs... it was annoying on bard before they added the skill that refreshed both, it was annoying on scholar back in the day, it was annoying on Summoner back in the day. I even healed back when stance dancing was a thing, also highly annoying. I've been through all the ways healers have changed and the current way they play, both shields and pure heals is a direct result of feedback the devs received over the years and that's what the majority of strikers seem to overlook. Healing got so hard that people wouldn't TOUCH the job. They made it easier, then there was still a large chunk that said "I don't want to dps I want to heal" they took away all but the bare minimum and now a small portion of the player base wants to reverse course on that. I'm at the point where I'm convinced there will never be a happy side in this, but at the end of the day the Devs do have more data about things than anyone knows and there is clearly a reason why they are sticking to the current healer design.

[Kira619]

Don't bother Kira, those striking are absolutely 10000% convinced their views are the majority view of the player base that plays heals that they certainly don't listen when healer mains like myself say otherwise. They also seem to think that the echo chamber that is the overall dumpster fire of these forums represents the whole sum total majority view of the playerbase when MOST players never step foot in here and it only tends to be the loudest complainers that post feedback.

Thank you, this is the entire point I was trying to make, because people were so shocked to see the devs go the opposite direction of what was asked for here and for me, it somewhat makes sense. The idea that the topics claimed here, especially in this thread, somehow representing the gaming audience as a whole makes no sense when you compare the playerbase count versus the amount of people posting on the forums. It's quite obvious that the topics seen here express a very small minority of the gaming audience as a whole.

[S4M4EL]

i find it funny when people try to diminish forum feedback as if it shouldn't be considered because "it isn't the majority of the player-base"
Then why have forums in the first place?
People are being vocal about healers since HW and in every expansion the same issues become even more apparent.

- AST gets botched and reworked >>every single expansion<< and i'm not even kidding.

- SCH, the intelectual tactician, is facing an identity crisis going for the angelic aesthetic and received no changes to energy drain, not even look-wise, and no new ways of spending fairy gauge, but sure, take this angelic glamour that turns you into a healing turret because this is exactly what is needed thanks to how hard content is to heal.........

- SGE receiving another DOT but it doesn't stack so basically nothing changed

- and WHM? idk take this extra tetra stack and a 400 pot team-wide shield that becomes a regen so you can have more free time spamming your 1 button...

I've seen many players, both casual and hardcore, criticize the direction healer role is facing and it looks like there are NO healer players in the dev team, or they simply don't care.

[CrimsonGunner]

No, I don't care if it has double DOTs or not. I've played other jobs, such as bard who has double dots, and I was thrilled the day they added the magic button that refreshed BOTH DOTs simultaneously because god forbid I get caught even in casual content by try hards that would call someone out for letting a DOT fall off even for .5secs.... so yeah, i'm glad i don't have to manage two DOTs... it was annoying on bard before they added the skill that refreshed both, it was annoying on scholar back in the day, it was annoying on Summoner back in the day. I even healed back when stance dancing was a thing, also highly annoying. I've been through all the ways healers have changed and the current way they play, both shields and pure heals is a direct result of feedback the devs received over the years and that's what the majority of strikers seem to overlook. Healing got so hard that people wouldn't TOUCH the job. They made it easier, then there was still a large chunk that said "I don't want to dps I want to heal" they took away all but the bare minimum and now a small portion of the player base wants to reverse course on that. I'm at the point where I'm convinced there will never be a happy side in this, but at the end of the day the Devs do have more data about things than anyone knows and there is clearly a reason why they are sticking to the current healer design.

yes it called being stubborn and ignore feedback.

tbh being afraid of being called out is a you problem not a dev.
il be clear about it, dev problem is when skills don't function or when there is a huge disparity between each job or major issues with a job classic example is ast apm issue or mp issues in shb not someone calling a person out cause he didn't put a dot which at this iteration if you didn't is kind of embarrassing not to so i guess your in an even worse position now bud.

while you and me dont care about double dots, you had the majority of healers in other social media mourn and had their soul ripped so guess what that says...(a hint: majority means more the half agree with an opinion)

so you don't represent the masses, neither am i but reality proves that healer community do care about the issues brought by the healer strike and its not something you can deny well unless you prefer to bury your head in sand and go lalala.

cause the truth is, if people didn't care at all. this thread would have been ignored and not liked by more then 10 people.