#FFXIVHEALERSTRIKE

[KitiaraIornsight]

A single page of posts towards devs now is the whole thread? I don't think so.

Healers have been frustrated for years, the thread exploding is just an expression of that. It's not shocking that players would be antagonistic to devs as a group for that. So long as it's general feedback and not personal atta ks it's fair to express annoyance. They're paying for a product not getting charity.

Its more than just a page.... i've been following this for days. And its SOME healers are frustrated. Not enough for them to roll back those changes either.

[Supersnow845]

See that's the thing though, they don't HAVE to listen to our feedback 100% of the time.

And we don’t HAVE to be happy with the slop they serve us expansion after expansion

We are the customer here

[Aravell]

See that's the thing though, they don't HAVE to listen to our feedback 100% of the time.

No one's asking them to implement everything we say?

What we're asking them to do is acknowledge that the feedback exists. Because they haven't shown any inkling of feedback existing at all despite telling everyone to post feedback in the official forums.

You can't expect your paying customers to remain patient for eternity when you don't even notice their feedback on your product.

[Myrany]

I am just going to say this since I keep seeing it pop up.

Healers choosing not to play a class that is no longer fun to them is NOT, I REPEAT NOT selfish.

They are simply exercising the same right I as a DPS or anyone else has to enjoy the game they pay for. They do not owe me a queue pop.

[Kes13a]

I am just going to say this since I keep seeing it pop up.

Healers choosing not to play a class that is no longer fun to them is NOT, I REPEAT NOT selfish.

They are simply exercising the same right I as a DPS or anyone else has to enjoy the game they pay for. They do not owe me a queue pop.

good to hear Myrany, happy to share a world with you ^^

[Aelin_Ashryver]

Its more than just a page.... i've been following this for days. And its SOME healers are frustrated. Not enough for them to roll back those changes either.

Yeah I've been peeking the thread too. The whole thread is not just atks on devs.
And you say not enough for them to roll back? Well Yoshi P already admitted they went too far making things simple. They already are planning to roll back on the simplifications to the jobs, the shitty part to that is we won't see it for years.

And yeah some healers, a lot of healers given this thread and every other major healer feedback thread also being hundreds of pages. The continued low playrate of healers compared to other roles could be argued that even outside forum feedback players don't find healers compelling enough to play.

I'll not bother with more on that matter. We can give our feedback and see what comes of it like we have since shb dropped.

Devs and SE as a whole can be criticised, ppl are paying for the game. I'm not for singling people out but I think it's fine to say the devs have failed healers if that's how you feel. I don't get to avoid critical feedback at my work, idk what this pussy footing is around game devs ever getting negativity for their poor products lately.

If you want the praise for the wins, and the se devs have had many. You can take the L's and criticism for places you could be doing better, in this case healers is one place they could do a lot better imo.

[rawker]

Oh look, its now the whole thread has descended into bashing the devs. How predictible.

Oh look, a post made in bad faith to discredit years worth of dissatisfaction made by customers towards a product they also pay. How predictable.

[Striker44]

Oh look, its now the whole thread has descended into bashing the devs. How predictible.

It's truly remarkable the effect echo chambers can have on people psychologically. I've come to believe there are quite a few people here who truly cannot fathom that the 99.98% of the playerbase that doesn't use the forums might not necessarily share their opinions. Let's be real - the dev team has far more information available to them than any of us perusing the forums. If they're intentionally choosing and sticking with a certain path, chances are good it's because the huge amount of data they have available shows it's a good idea.

The negative echo chamber here, however, can't accept that the dev team likely is listening - they're just listening to everyone, as opposed to just the minuscule few of us that post on the forums. They've become incapable of considering that other people might find something fun and enjoyable that they personally don't. (And that's not even touching the point that the dev team has the freedom to decide what they want their game to be. We don't have any right to dictate that to them, simply to decide whether we like their product enough to play it and how to go about doing that.)

[Aword3213]

Some people don\\\\'t care for roulettes and spend most of their time doing MSQ, side quests, FATEs, Tribal Dailies, etc., all of which occur outside of instances.

You have chocobo companions for those activities. It’s laughable that you bring open world content to the table and think it’s good argument, they’re not. You don’t need party mitigation and group healing in open world.

He straight up called it good game design. Meaning that the healers are sufficiently similar in that they\\\\'re balanced so you can feasibly take any of the healer roles in a group without hamstringing your group, while still giving each one enough unique touches to give it its own identity.

The PH/BH split was enforced because Yoshi-p wanted healers to compensate each other, as stated in pre-EW interview. What you said is direct opposition to intended design.

Because people are naturally more apt to complain, and this is a voluntary sample of people who choose to post on the forum, rather than a truly random sampling of healers in-game. I\\\\'m a casual healer who is very much enjoying the current state of healers, for the record. And there are many more of us in-game that just aren\\\\'t among the minuscule few that post on the forums.

Whenever you start posting in this tiny little echo chamber, you no longer represent the silent majority in game. You’re one of us now. Judging by your posts in this thread, I’d say you’re minority among the minority.

You’re also assuming everyone in the game has no negative opinions about the game based on the fact they don’t post. Let’s say you’re right.
The premise of your argument:
people in the game has zero negative opinions about the game and disagrees with forum feedback because they don’t post. People play FFXIV = FFXIV is good.

Based on the same premise, it’s also safe to assume that anyone, who has since terminated their subscription, must be unhappy about the game. In addition, anyone that doesn’t play FFXIV must think this game is so bad that they don’t even want to try it. People don’t play FFXIV = FFXIV is bad

We now have different groups of “silent majority.” The scales look like this: people who stopped subscription + people who don’t play FFXIV V.S people who enjoy FFXIV

Oh dear, we now have over tens of billions of people over the world that actively hate FFXIV. That makes us majority, and you the minority. Your opinion is so insignificant compared to the silent majority combined.

You\\'re assuming everyone is here to "argue" and go back and forth. People can also just be stopping in to post their two cents with no intention of engaging in a protracted debate (especially against an echo chamber likely to gang up on them for daring to disagree and enjoy healing).

A post is argumentative when confrontational keywords are used. They were used in the post I was responding to.

[Supersnow845]

It's truly remarkable the effect echo chambers can have on people psychologically. I've come to believe there are quite a few people here who truly cannot fathom that the 99.98% of the playerbase that doesn't use the forums might not necessarily share their opinions. Let's be real - the dev team has far more information available to them than any of us perusing the forums. If they're intentionally choosing and sticking with a certain path, chances are good it's because the huge amount of data they have available shows it's a good idea.

The negative echo chamber here, however, can't accept that the dev team likely is listening - they're just listening to everyone, as opposed to just the minuscule few of us that post on the forums. They've become incapable of considering that other people might find something fun and enjoyable that they personally don't. (And that's not even touching the point that the dev team has the freedom to decide what they want their game to be. We don't have any right to dictate that to them, simply to decide whether we like their product enough to play it and how to go about doing that.)

Striker we are used to you claiming the majority with no evidence but that doesn’t even remotely match the point that the person you quoted is replying to

It’s got nothing to do with an echo chamber that we are rightfully calling out someone implying we are directly attacking the devs, there is no majority there