#FFXIVHEALERSTRIKE

[Dogempire]

*Cries in former summoner main*

By this point "rework" for any job is synonymous with "lobotomize"

I can't think of a single job they've reworked since ShB that actually added some depth to the job, albeit maybe it's just my selective memory and I'm not familiar with Monk's 8534 different reworks, but still.

[Naouu]

Tanks have more involved damage rotations. Why can't healers? Giving cleric stance and giving even just a 123 combo can let the ones who have mastered their class show it.

A newbie healer might not use cleric stance and focus on learning when and where to heal and use their ogcds/mits

Where as an expert would know exactly when to turn on cleric stance and sacrifice some of the unnecessary healing for a little more damage. They can cut some of the potency off skills to make it a little more balanced if need be.

My only gripe with this tho is that it infact may likely cause some gatekeeping on unskilled healers trying to learn more difficult content.

[Naouu]

I said it earlier, we have all of Eureka and Bozja as testing grounds for new abilities - give us Seraph Strike instead of Glide!





There is no reason for any DPS or tank to offer AoE healing. There is no reason for tanks to be able to heal others, at all, without a significant cost to their own survivability. I say this as someone who routinely plays as a Paladin: Clemency needs more downsides to casting, and Holy Sheltron's Knight's Benediction should only apply to the caster, not the recipient (same for WAR's Nascent Flash's Nascent Glint, GNB's Heart of Corundum's additional affect of Brutal Shell). I'm fine with them applying to themselves for self-sustain, but healing the party should be the healer's job, first and foremost.

I'm even leery of RDM and SMN having access to a targeted heal spell and a raise, even if it makes sense lore-wise.

Well as a War main myself I rarely to almost never use Nascent flesh and many war mains i know hardly do either

[Naouu]

Sorry my comment got cut off somehow- was just saying if they took Nascent flesh off of me I wouldn't be that sad xD

[FudoMyoo]

I tried very hard not to reply this thread but ... lol

Frankly, the best way to get their attention is "unsub". All healers main just "unsub", let them feel the pinch and they will wake up.

[TsubameMikage]

I tried very hard not to reply this thread but ... lol

Frankly, the best way to get their attention is "unsub". All healers main just "unsub", let them feel the pinch and they will wake up.

I already have. I'm surprised I can keep posting without a sub, actually, as it ran out 4 days ago. I refuse to give this company another dollar until there is some actual corrective action taken. Not just "We'll do it soon", but when they actually do. If that means not playing for 2 years, or ever again - fine, they've made a decision that my sub isn't worth having.

[FudoMyoo]

I already have. I'm surprised I can keep posting without a sub, actually, as it ran out 4 days ago. I refuse to give this company another dollar until there is some actual corrective action taken. Not just "We'll do it soon", but when they actually do. If that means not playing for 2 years, or ever again - fine, they've made a decision that my sub isn't worth having.

I don't think you can post without a sub.

You can read only.

[Bole]

I don't think you can post without a sub.

You can read only.

You can post for like 15 days (I think) after your last login to the game. I'm not currently subbed.

[Auteur]

I apologize in advance if my points have been made already, I recently came back from a decent sized break. I have a strong opinion on this thread as a returning player as a new healer.

I believe it's misguided to promote healer being a single point of failure in MSQ content. It puts so much more pressure on new or rusty healers and if you upped the ante so much on healing in MSQ dungs, you promote frustration with experienced players who then may resort to kicking. This hurts new/returning player retention because healer is a mandatory class, and typically MSQ is the first and main content new/returning players are exposed to. It is not in SE's interest to make MSQ instances potentially "uncarryable" by creating single points of failure.

Healer can be a single point of failure because tanks and most dps classes cannot rez but a healer can. Therefore a healer can compensate for mistakes by other classes, but it may not be true vice versa. However, because dungeons are being designed so high performing DPS and tanks can basically avoid most, if not all damage, and self heal, healer is having less exposure as a single point of failure particularly in MSQ. That means that experienced and high performing non-healers can truly "carry" a MSQ dungeon (or trial in some circumstances) and there is no longer so much pressure on a mandatory healer class. This should be a win-win for all parties involved: the experienced player promotes their own ego and competency while getting out of a MSQ queue, the new player is less likely to be blamed and face exposure to vote kick or other frustration, and SE maintains player retention.

The attitude of the "strike promoters" is just elitist or mostly out of touch in my opinion. If you are part of a high performing raiding static, you are going to be doing everything with the same people you know and are not exposed to the very practical concerns and realities of people queuing with the "normies." It's the Principal Skinner meme of being out of touch, but is actually true. I will caveat that the allegation that one can complete high end extreme raids without a healer MAY have more merit, but that discussion should be completely separated from MSQ/realities of regular queues. The "strike promoters" lose credibility in my opinion when they try to tie the problems of us "regular" players or commoners without raiding statics with their high end problems.

TL;DR - it's stupid to argue against agency for high end DPS and tanks for MSQ. MSQ should be carryable by anybody performing at a high level to reduce frustration of single point of failure. The "strike promoters" should only focus on extremes or super high end content if they want to maintain credibility because otherwise they show they are elitist and out of touch in not understanding the view from duty finder and solo queue/MSQ only players.

[rawker]

The attitude of the "strike promoters" is just elitist or mostly out of touch in my opinion.

The attitude of the "strike detractors" is just elitist or mostly out of touch in my opinion.

It's fascinating that your statement is also applicable to your side, is it not? Need I also have to mention that we're called elitists and scrubs at the same time by people on your side of the argument. At the very least, coordinate with ome another so you can finalize if we're elitists or noobs.