#FFXIVHEALERSTRIKE

[Local_Custard]

This is my issue with tank sustain right now, it's too strong and boss damage is too low. Tanks shouldn't be allowed to hold the party hostage for 5-10 mins while they slowly whittle down a boss from 70% to 0, especially when they can just... easily eat a stack marker without using an invuln

Watching a tank solo a boss while everyone is dead is seriously a "Why am I even here?" moment since obviously the tank can just solo queue into a dungeon and solo it in its entirety, why would they even need the other party members except to make the clear times fasteR?

Like I said
this game feels like it was made for tanks to solo. This might as well be a solo game if tank sustain keeps increasing.
I play bard because I like how it has some interaction with the party (as minor as it is) and is easy to have uptime on. I like party play. It is disheartening with how eroded it is.

[Ryaduera]

Like I said
this game feels like it was made for tanks to solo. This might as well be a solo game if tank sustain keeps increasing.
I play bard because I like how it has some interaction with the party (as minor as it is) and is easy to have uptime on. I like party play. It is disheartening with how eroded it is.

So I only really play tank, and I get this whole heartedly. I wish tanks actually did significantly less damage so that even DPS were needed. Damage is so important in this game that it's like there's Green DPS meant to do some damage but also heal once every 16 hours, blue DPS meant to execute a different set of mechanics and do average damage, and red DPS meant to avoid taking damage and deal biggest damage. Maybe this is a hot take, but FFXIV Doesn't really use the holy trinity anymore. As a tank player I'm just a DPS capable of soloing things, and I don't really like that, my power fantasy is to protect, not to slaughter, save that for the actual DPS players, but instead tank damage is so high we don't need DPS for anything outside of savage raids and higher. I want healers to be needed for the party, but I want healers to need me for my protections, and I want to need the DPS for their... well, damage. That's what the Holy Trinity design was originally intended for at least. I picked up the shield before I picked up the sword, it would be nice if the game felt this way again. I always wipe the first 2 times the party dies. If it happens a third time, though, I just want to get out... It's just common courtesy to let them play the game, or go play a single player game.

[IDontPetLalas]

This is my issue with tank sustain right now, it's too strong and boss damage is too low. Tanks shouldn't be allowed to hold the party hostage for 5-10 mins while they slowly whittle down a boss from 70% to 0, especially when they can just... easily eat a stack marker without using an invuln

Watching a tank solo a boss while everyone is dead is seriously a "Why am I even here?" moment since obviously the tank can just solo queue into a dungeon and solo it in its entirety, why would they even need the other party members except to make the clear times fasteR?

The icing on the cake is if the tank makes it seem difficult- it can be in some cases, in some cases, it isn't. It's more tedious to kill solo as a tank (if I can do it, then there's hope for anyone) , and it's definitely faster with the group up, and more fun.

[Teno]

Yesterday the party tank (paladin) solo'd a dungeon boss because the healer died. It was a mid-expansion dawntrail dungeon. Most tanks are still too strong (I think DRK is more where the tank sustain should be). I asked the Paladin to wipe so that we could beat the boss together but they refused. Sometimes it really feels like this game was made for tanks to solo and everyone else doesn't matter.

Looks like a gigantic but hole. I'd have taken the penalty without hesitation. Or kick him.

[Wildheaven182]

Yesterday the party tank (paladin) solo'd a dungeon boss because the healer died. It was a mid-expansion dawntrail dungeon. Most tanks are still too strong (I think DRK is more where the tank sustain should be). I asked the Paladin to wipe so that we could beat the boss together but they refused. Sometimes it really feels like this game was made for tanks to solo and everyone else doesn't matter.

Yeah this seems the norm and its not fun to stand around for 10 minutes while one person plays the game by themselves, forcing the rest to sit and wait for them.

[Local_Custard]

Yeah this seems the norm and its not fun to stand around for 10 minutes while one person plays the game by themselves, forcing the rest to sit and wait for them.

Yeah. I at least got some tanks this expansion that had the courtesy of wiping when everyone else was dead. It is frustrating when I see the tank not only mess up as much as everyone else but be allowed to live anyways while everyone else dies. Mistakes are okay, in fact they are good for learning. However, it shouldn't be excusable for tanks being allowed to solo a boss while everyone else is on the ground. Especially when everyone else is forced to watch for the next 5 or more minutes.

Honestly, I was very tempted to abandon the dungeon because it was just super frustrating (I decided to not leave because no one was being rude in chat or purposely killing people in the party).

[Wildheaven182]

then what about this? sounds like a very blatant attempt to disrupt the ques for others

This player healer strike is nothing compared to square enix's own healer strike. They refuse to make any new jobs other than dps in the future, they say.
2 dps expansion did the job for us, blame squex for the disruption.

Also who cares about other people's queues? I dont care if you have to wait ten seconds longer, im not enjoying healer ao im not gonna play healer anymore. I dont owe you my time so that you can enjoy a game while im bored, and if that disrupts your precious queue (how dare) then tough shite.

[Aravell]

Yeah this seems the norm and its not fun to stand around for 10 minutes while one person plays the game by themselves, forcing the rest to sit and wait for them.

One possible way to fix it is if dungeon bosses gain a stack of a buff whenever someone is dead. The buff does absolutely nothing, but when they get 3 stacks, the boss goes berserk and gains maximum movement speed, stops doing mechanics and starts autoattacking for 300% damage.

That way, a tank can still salvage a pull when the healer dies, but if they let everyone else die, they get punished with a much, much harder to survive fight. That should put a stop to tanks wasting 10 minutes soloing a boss from 80%.

[currentlemon]

- I agree a more involved rotation should be added, HOWEVER - it CANNOT be on par with DPS, not even slightly. It also cannot be on par with tanks due to the nature of healers as a whole. As a DPS you have your eyes glued to cooldowns and job gauge (until you drill the fight into your system and your GCD's are basically set in stone for the entire fight) - this doesn't work with healers as there's damage variance, mistakes and general inconsistency when doing content in DF/PF setting.

So I'd say something akin to a tank-like rotation (without more button bloat, please and thank.)

You can build a mini-DPS rotation for WHM using the job’s current DPS kit. And all without adding any new DPS actions.

Shorten Dia’s DoT timer to 12 or 15 seconds

Shorten PoM’s CD to 60 seconds

Separate Glare IV from PoM and let be it’s own GCD ability with a short CD or have it proc from Dia.

Have Holy become an AoE DoT after PoM is used, making a FF staple be apart of WHM’s single target rotation.

There. A mini-dps rotation for WHM. No new actions needed.

[gllt]

Genuinely, just make my current buttons do more.
I actually sneak in auto attacks during ARR content as SCH/SMN just to feel something. I'm still sad they scale off the further into the game you go until they literally do nothing.