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    Tunda's Avatar
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    Astro mains should be happy in 2 years they will get gap closer
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    Pencho Gipsa
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    Look, everyone, it's all explained here, we just didn't read it correctly: https://eu.finalfantasyxiv.com/jobguide/battle/ I quote:

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    Healers use restorative arts to mend wounded companions. They can also help to mitigate damage, remove detrimental effects, and even bring fallen allies back to life.
    So now that there are no wounded companions and our help with mitigation is not needed, our job is quite obvious - start spamming Esuna and revive, they have even reduced the cooldown on Swiftcast to make that easier!!

    Jokes aside, casual looking for a non-healer job to main in DT, hit me up with suggestions, thanks in advance
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    Yo-tsu Amilar
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kozmakis View Post
    Look, everyone, it's all explained here, we just didn't read it correctly: https://eu.finalfantasyxiv.com/jobguide/battle/ I quote:

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    Healers use restorative arts to mend wounded companions. They can also help to mitigate damage, remove detrimental effects, and even bring fallen allies back to life.
    So now that there are no wounded companions and we our help with mitigation is not needed, our job is quite obvious - start spamming Esuna and revive, they have even reduced the cooldown on Swiftcast to make that easier!!

    Jokes aside, casual looking for a non-healer job to main in DT, hit me up with suggestions, thanks in advance
    Play the one true healer, WAR
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheMightyMollusk View Post
    So who wants to go tell the god of wisdom and magic and king of the Viking pantheon that his robes aren't manly enough?

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    Percibel Theren
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kozmakis View Post
    Look, everyone, it's all explained here, we just didn't read it correctly: https://eu.finalfantasyxiv.com/jobguide/battle/ I quote:

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    Healers use restorative arts to mend wounded companions. They can also help to mitigate damage, remove detrimental effects, and even bring fallen allies back to life.
    So now that there are no wounded companions and our help with mitigation is not needed, our job is quite obvious - start spamming Esuna and revive, they have even reduced the cooldown on Swiftcast to make that easier!!

    Jokes aside, casual looking for a non-healer job to main in DT, hit me up with suggestions, thanks in advance
    I went for Dancer because the proc-based rotation is scratching the itch of semi-randomness I'm used from Astrologian. I'm having a blast and I'll be raiding as DNC in Dawntrail.
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    Reinha Sorrowmoon
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    Odin
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kozmakis View Post
    Jokes aside, casual looking for a non-healer job to main in DT, hit me up with suggestions, thanks in advance
    DNC - easy and fun proc-based job with healing support
    BRD - dots
    RPR - easy to pick up and looks cool, some heal support
    VPR - a fun but more advanced playstyle, no healing support
    RDM - heal and raise support with good mobility
    WAR - easy all-rounder
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sani2341 View Post
    Play the one true healer, WAR
    Quote Originally Posted by PercibelTheren View Post
    I went for Dancer because the proc-based rotation is scratching the itch of semi-randomness I'm used from Astrologian. I'm having a blast and I'll be raiding as DNC in Dawntrail.
    Quote Originally Posted by Reinha View Post
    DNC - easy and fun proc-based job with healing support
    BRD - dots
    RPR - easy to pick up and looks cool, some heal support
    VPR - a fun but more advanced playstyle, no healing support
    RDM - heal and raise support with good mobility
    WAR - easy all-rounder
    Thank you for the suggestions, looks like Dancer is the way forward and Warrior is "backup" option if I want to try tanking.

    Quote Originally Posted by MoonmoonMoonmoon View Post
    I just hope you're all prepared to go from not enjoying the game because you don't like how a job is designed - to not enjoying the game because you literally can't play it while you wait for someone else to play that job you don't like.
    I am sorry, I do not know you and I might be misreading it, but this sounds like a "guilt-trip" towards healers... We are all paying and playing to have fun, right? I already have my real-life job to do what I am supposed to do whether I enjoy it or not, so thanks, but no thanks - I prefer having fun, I can group up with friends/FC instead of waiting for randoms
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    Cetiri Mjeseca
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    Jenova
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kozmakis View Post
    I am sorry, I do not know you and I might be misreading it, but this sounds like a "guilt-trip" towards healers... We are all paying and playing to have fun, right? I already have my real-life job to do what I am supposed to do whether I enjoy it or not, so thanks, but no thanks - I prefer having fun, I can group up with friends/FC instead of waiting for randoms
    Thank you for asking me to clarify instead of just assuming! So that was intended to be lightly sarcastic... There is nothing enjoyable about having to wait to play the game the way you want to play it. There is nothing enjoyable about playing a job you don't like.

    If you're not enjoying the game, by all means change jobs! Just know that this void you're leaving behind is one of the most sought-after jobs in the game. Everyone needs a healer to queue. There just aren't any competent healers left in the game anymore. If you have a way to queue without reaching out to a random healer through DF then good for you, but others joining this cause might not have that support. So I mean, it's literally a "pick your poison" situation for them. Play a job you don't like or have to sit in queue with 172,634 other DPS (IDK I made up that number) who also changed jobs.
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    Mikh'ir Bajhiri
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    Black Mage Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by MoonmoonMoonmoon View Post
    Thank you for asking me to clarify instead of just assuming! So that was intended to be lightly sarcastic... There is nothing enjoyable about having to wait to play the game the way you want to play it. There is nothing enjoyable about playing a job you don't like.

    If you're not enjoying the game, by all means change jobs! Just know that this void you're leaving behind is one of the most sought-after jobs in the game. Everyone needs a healer to queue. There just aren't any competent healers left in the game anymore. If you have a way to queue without reaching out to a random healer through DF then good for you, but others joining this cause might not have that support. So I mean, it's literally a "pick your poison" situation for them. Play a job you don't like or have to sit in queue with 172,634 other DPS (IDK I made up that number) who also changed jobs.
    At least there's enough side content I enjoy playing that I can do during periods I'm waiting on the queues, whereas fast queues only matter if I like doing the content - and that's questionable with current healer designs. Like the old adage, 'no D&D is better than bad D&D', the same is true here.
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    #healerstrike

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    Mira Clearweaver
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    Quote Originally Posted by MoonmoonMoonmoon View Post
    Thank you for asking me to clarify instead of just assuming! So that was intended to be lightly sarcastic... There is nothing enjoyable about having to wait to play the game the way you want to play it. There is nothing enjoyable about playing a job you don't like.

    If you're not enjoying the game, by all means change jobs! Just know that this void you're leaving behind is one of the most sought-after jobs in the game. Everyone needs a healer to queue. There just aren't any competent healers left in the game anymore. If you have a way to queue without reaching out to a random healer through DF then good for you, but others joining this cause might not have that support. So I mean, it's literally a "pick your poison" situation for them. Play a job you don't like or have to sit in queue with 172,634 other DPS (IDK I made up that number) who also changed jobs.
    I was definitely one of those who assumed the worse right off the bat, apologies for that. But then why would you add this to your first post?

    Quote Originally Posted by MoonmoonMoonmoon View Post
    [...]Play the game, or don't, but stop acting like you are actually going to make a change this way[...]
    Truly, I did interpret that as gatekeeping feedbacks for no good reason.
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    Pencho Gipsa
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    Quote Originally Posted by MoonmoonMoonmoon View Post
    If you're not enjoying the game, by all means change jobs! Just know that this void you're leaving behind is one of the most sought-after jobs in the game. Everyone needs a healer to queue. There just aren't any competent healers left in the game anymore. If you have a way to queue without reaching out to a random healer through DF then good for you, but others joining this cause might not have that support. So I mean, it's literally a "pick your poison" situation for them. Play a job you don't like or have to sit in queue with 172,634 other DPS (IDK I made up that number) who also changed jobs.
    Thanks for the clarification! I will also add a little bit about my personal interest in this (I joined the forums because of it, lol) - I have been a healer main for the past ±15 years in multiple MMOs. My play style is simple: smashing healing buttons, especially HoTs, but I digress! I do not want to name other games as I am not sure whether talking about them is okay on these forums. What I liked about FFXIV is the lack of pressure to have to login every day for many hours and do content I dislike just to farm gear, which will let me do something I enjoy afterwards. I knew healers work differently in FFXIV, compared to other MMOs - you are required to do damage and healing is either reactive or somewhat proactive/pre-shielding or pre-casting mitigation spells for certain mechanics.

    So I tried Sage in EW, after losing interest in White Mage - what was supposed to be a "green DPS" - and I was surprised to see that I have a worse DPS rotation than in other MMOs, where damage-dealing is optional, unless you are the 1% of the population running the hardest content in the game. I can give you an example from such game in a DM (again, not sure if I can talk about other games freely here) with a 8-9 spell rotation, which include multiple DoTs, using mana as a resource, then shapeshifting (which also changes your 1st hotbar) to use spells with a different resource (not mana), half of which generate combo points and the other half consume the combo points as finishers... It's hard to even compare this to E.Dosis/E.Dyskrasia every 30 secs, Phlegma + Psyche in burst windows and Dosis/Dyskrasia spam... and healing is almost entirely oGCDs, i.e. click and forget, compared to casting HoTs (on GCD), then combo-ing other spells with them, again on GCD...

    I still enjoy FFXIV, I will just try being a pure DPS (or maybe tank) for now, otherwise I feel I am misusing the small amount of time I have to play the game doing something I don't enjoy. If my choice increases queue time - it's the developer's problem. FFXIV made it easy for everyone to switch jobs, so others can step in, as you have also graciously offered, so the void will eventually be filled by other players, no need to panic
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    Last edited by Kozmakis; 06-28-2024 at 01:38 AM.

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